I think the frenetic stuff on the Omar Souleyman records is dabke. I am a bit vaguer on what Choubi music is - the wonderful SF compilation "Choubi Choubi" suggests that it is mainly women saying "Choubi" over a less frenetic Arabic/synthy musical accompaniment. Mawal, no idea, but I am sure it will be awesome.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 12:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Saw him last night with Dengue Fever (they played first and Omar and his keyboard player did one song with that Cambodian/Los Angeles group) in W. DC. Souleyman's keyboard player manages to sample and play all kinds of instruments featured in dabke and whatever Arabic dancemusic and disco beats out of his two keyboards, while Souleyman sang, chanted and did his little fist-moving dance movements.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 7 June 2012 14:13 (eleven years ago) link
that's pretty much what happens, yes.
― “Argh!” I cry. But I really don’t care. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 June 2012 14:42 (eleven years ago) link
he was best in the first four songs of an open rainstorm; that was a series of songs to remember.
― “Argh!” I cry. But I really don’t care. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 7 June 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
DC gig was not too crowded. Indie-rock club 930 did not try to reach out to DC's Arabic-speaking community. Some were there though
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 7 June 2012 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
Was there an NYC date already and I missed it?
― Guess what? They crucified him. (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 7 June 2012 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
Google seems to suggest Souleyman and Dengue Fever were at Webster hall Monday June 4. Don't see any reviews.
Omar Souleyman -- 2012 Tour Dates6/4 Webster Hall New York, NY*6/5 Union Transfer Philadelphia, PA*6/6 9:30 Club Washington, DC*9/1-3 Bumbershoot Seattle, WA9/5-9 MusicFestNW Portland, OR9/9 Hollywood Bowl Los Angeles, CA w/ Hot Chip and Passion Pit* - w/ Dengue Fever
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 7 June 2012 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
Mahmoud Harbi is a long-time collaborator and the man responsible for much of the poetry sung by Souleyman. Together, they commonly perform the "Ataba," a traditional form of folk poetry used in Dabke. On stage, Harbi chain smokes cigarettes while standing shoulder to shoulder with Souleyman, periodically leaning over to whisper the material into his ear.
No Harbi onstage in W. DC
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 7 June 2012 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
highway to hassake is spectacular. i love the frenetic dabke stuff but the slower sadder songs sung in ataba style, (or "ataaba"?), e.g. "Jalsat Ataba," are really wonderful. i don't know really anything about syrian music though, what are some other artists to explore if i like souleyman and some of the various styles he performs?
― marcos, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 13:37 (ten years ago) link
other artists or collections, albums, etc.
― marcos, Wednesday, 26 June 2013 13:39 (ten years ago) link
Can't really help with Syrian debka along these lines (maybe Ali Aldik's 2004 album with "Aloush" would be close?), but you might like this. The sounds get slightly trippier later in the performance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCjeLyqlBI0
(Really biting my tongue here, to tell you the truth.)
― Did anybody tell you that your voice is like Abd Al Halim's? (_Rudipherous_), Wednesday, 26 June 2013 15:45 (ten years ago) link
New album "Wenu Wenu," produced by Fourtet, is cool:http://www.npr.org/2013/10/13/230176762/first-listen-omar-souleyman-wenu-wenu
― Michael F Gill, Sunday, 20 October 2013 20:16 (ten years ago) link
was worried it might be downtempo but so far this bangs. little bit clean-sounding for me, maybe.
― chimped the keeper (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 October 2013 20:42 (ten years ago) link
ok this is excellent, need to hear it properly i guess before i judge the sound
― chimped the keeper (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 October 2013 20:57 (ten years ago) link
some minor intrigue at the bottom of this thread:S/D : Sublime Frequencies
― gotta lol geir (NickB), Sunday, 20 October 2013 22:30 (ten years ago) link
looks like somebody agrees with me re: the production
― chimped the keeper (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 October 2013 06:17 (ten years ago) link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24571762
― stirmonster, Monday, 21 October 2013 12:48 (ten years ago) link
wonder what it is about omar souleyman in particular. the hype totally passed me by, but i heard one of his songs on some international music radio show and it definitely caught my ear.
― Spectrum, Monday, 21 October 2013 13:07 (ten years ago) link
really good article from earlier in the year:
http://lareviewofbooks.org/essay/syria-on-the-cusp-of-hipness-then-fading
― festival culture (Jordan), Monday, 21 October 2013 13:52 (ten years ago) link
I've spoken to a couple of Middle Eastern people who are a bit annoyed by his success and the kind of exoticism they detect behind it because he's, they say, just a wedding singer like any other. I dunno what to think about that other than that Middle Eastern weddings must be pretty cool.
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 21 October 2013 13:54 (ten years ago) link
I posted the below on the Rolling "world" music 2013 thread;
Jamie XX and Four Tet guy are into "African music" (not sure what genres. Well, Four Tet's Kieran produced Omar Souleyman)
He went on to discuss his current leanings, explaining: "[I've been] picking up old records and a lot of African music. I've been enjoying the melodies and how different the song structuring process is, and especially how danceable it is. I was speaking to [Four Tet's] Kieran Hebden a while ago and he was recommending me a lot of records in that vein... I feel like I've been absorbing a lot of that production wise. All the records that I collect work their way into the music that I make in some way or another, but I think in terms of the African influence it's becoming more visible."
http://pitchfork.com/news/50045-jamie-xx-says-hes-working-with-big-name-pop-artists-on-african-influenced-new-music/
― curmudgeon, Monday, October 21, 2013 2:14 PM (
― curmudgeon, Monday, 21 October 2013 14:47 (ten years ago) link
And yes I know where Syria is...
― curmudgeon, Monday, 21 October 2013 14:49 (ten years ago) link
the new one is really banging + psychedelic and i've listened to some other syrian wedding music that doesn't really compare. i think esp the new album is something very special. some of the older stuff didn't make much of an impression on me.
― Mordy , Monday, 21 October 2013 15:41 (ten years ago) link
Yeah instant love for this over here, was blasting it all yesterday
― Tesco and Horse Dobbins 2013 (wins), Monday, 21 October 2013 15:49 (ten years ago) link
that other dabke compilation that came out was, tho mb not quite as neat, v banging. wld be curious about similar arab music because ive not found owt
― ogmor, Monday, 21 October 2013 16:16 (ten years ago) link
yeah i love this, and i didn't really get into dabke 2020
― lex pretend, Monday, 21 October 2013 16:25 (ten years ago) link
bringing to mind natacha atlas for me which is prob wildly ignorant
prefer Dabke 2020 on initial listens to the new one, but both are v good
― chimped the keeper (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 October 2013 17:31 (ten years ago) link
there is probably an inevitable tokenism/exoticism attached to any crossover artist - much more so for artists whose audience has been restricted geographically - but it's hard to blame newcomers for not being familiar with a genre they didn't know existed until the crossover artist came along
― chimped the keeper (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 October 2013 17:33 (ten years ago) link
This is completely banging but I would never in a million years have guessed that Kieran Hebden produced it because there are virtually no concessions to modern dance music and most of the electronic elements sound like they were recorded in 1991.
― Matt DC, Monday, 21 October 2013 18:10 (ten years ago) link
i see what you did there
― chimped the keeper (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 October 2013 19:37 (ten years ago) link
there are virtually no concessions to modern dance music and most of the electronic elements sound like they were recorded in 1991.
I don't know enough about back then to weigh in, or about older Souleyman releases but I see that a Sublime Frequencies guy who once worked with Souleyman is asserting that the new one is not as good as older ones, as is someone from Quietus. I saw Souleyman live once and have heard some of his old and some of his new stuff (and similar sounds from others), but have not listened close enough to pick up the trainspotting differences.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 14:58 (ten years ago) link
so someone who's not working with him anymore and whose label is in dispute with him is claiming his new stuff isnt as good then
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 15:05 (ten years ago) link
Per that comment from s1ocki, this article, which I should have linked yesterday and which you are all to read right now:
http://www.spin.com/articles/omar-souleyman-wenu-wenu-feature/
...makes it clear that Sublime Frequencies, at the least, has a vested interest in saying what it does.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 15:15 (ten years ago) link
And as NickB pointed out a bit upthread, Doran's post the other day has a little more context. It's worth noting that he says he's good with both labels involved, so I'm not taking sides either -- but as Doran says, there's something worth noting here.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 15:19 (ten years ago) link
I wish I had seen the the first version of the Spin piece
[UPDATE: It has come to our attention that representatives for the Sublime Frequencies label were not given an appropriate opportunity to respond to accusations made in quotes in this article. In the interest of fairness, we have removed a paragraph and significantly altered a second. SPIN regrets the error.]
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 15:32 (ten years ago) link
huh
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 15:36 (ten years ago) link
That is VERY interesting. In the original story, there was a statement about how SF refused to comment, or something similar.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 15:41 (ten years ago) link
lolling at Matt's comment that went over my head the first time.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 16:33 (ten years ago) link
thank god we are all able to make up our own minds about the quality of the album w/out SF letting us know what to think -- or do i misunderstand the nature of the controversy here?
― Mordy , Wednesday, 23 October 2013 16:38 (ten years ago) link
It is a shame this sideshow could be giving people a bad impression of the album because it is excellent.
― Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 16:42 (ten years ago) link
the real shame is how many sheeple on this thread are letting SF tell us what to think
― socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 16:45 (ten years ago) link
Who is doing that? People can discuss the merits of new and old efforts by any artists without being pawns of the old label the artist was once on.
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 16:48 (ten years ago) link
Plus the SF stuff is just to some degree gossip that's easier to talk about than comparing various dabke artists and how their beats are made
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 16:50 (ten years ago) link
interesting bit about in there about how Four Tet didn't touch the music much (at all?), just essentially lent his name to it and ensured that somebody else didn't overproduce it or fuck it up.
― festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 16:52 (ten years ago) link
Slocki was lampooning/misreading mordy's comment xp
― what a horribly farmed "cock" (wins), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 16:53 (ten years ago) link
ok
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 16:54 (ten years ago) link
oops
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link
seeing Souleyman and Four Tet in Lisbon on Friday night tbh
― ͼѾͽ (sic), Wednesday, 23 October 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link
I do think that Mark Gergis's comments were a lot milder than people are making out. He's essentially only said that the new album isn't as much to his taste as the older, noisier recordings that he licensed to release in the West. I'm finding it hard to work out what the problem with this is. In fact I think it stands to reason give SF's whole aesthetic. I think it's important to bear in mind that Gergis worked on the first lot of releases over a period of a decade or more from 200 different albums on cassette - surely the actions of a genuine archivist with a passion for the music not someone trying to make a quick buck. But the noisier stuff that they put out, reflects only a small part of Souleyman's prolific output. Gergis realised that a certain sound the singer had been using several years previously but already abandoned in Syria would resonate with Western audiences and persuaded him to go back to it. When the group first toured in Europe they were persuaded to return to old instruments and songs etc. Therefore I think that aesthetic conflict was always a possibility (I've seen roughly the same thing happen with about four other MENA artists in the last year). But it's too much of a leap to suggest that this comment made by one person in an interview that not that many people read amounts to a bitter campaign by a record company to derail someone's career! My understanding of it is that Gergis/SF are gutted at the turn of events and would really like to work things out with him but can't - for one reason or another - speak directly to him. I don't want to/won't speak for other people and clearly a lot has happened in the last week that I'm not party to or have only heard one side of, but this is my understanding of things. (I read the original Spin piece and wondered how long it would remain up in that form as it seemed incredibly one sided. Of course I would have loved to have presented both sides of the story on the Quietus but we've had the other party take massive umbrage at what seems like a mild and absolutely fair enough declaration of personal taste and now can't.)
― Doran, Wednesday, 23 October 2013 20:30 (ten years ago) link