chicago juke: dj nate, dj rashad [R.I.P. 2014], leatherface aka kaptain cadillac, dj roc &c &c

Fidget House ?

/braggin

deej you LIVE there, i figured you'd know about it all (and was hoping you'd be in here at some point)

Nate isn't even part of the scene

yeah i heard something vaguely about this: in what way is he not part of the scene/why is he being picked up on, or packaged as, part of it?

i like all the artists i've heard but he reeeeeally stands out

"poetry" is really nice

these are some of the other dj nate trax that stand out on the album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORf_acLEV5k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfvYxWClaOY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFALsSjM1wQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITvdb3m9vLw

and "call me when you're sober" - the only version of which on youtube is this amazing girl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9PDtmEiAuQ

haha what - looking for that on youtube reveals that the source material for "call me when you're sober" is EVANESCENCE!

lol yep

Hence the title.

yeah i just didn't know that evanescence had a song called that

Ooops neither did I it was a lame gag about needing to be drunk to listen to Evanescence.

looool

so i also realised that i didn't know where the "poetry" sample was from and it's a random danity kane ballad off an album that i apparently love but didn't recognise

i have trouble listening to this stuff. it reminds me of trying to get into acardipane or lory d or stuff like that. yes, it is incredibly offbeat, put i find just about everything involved aesthetically off-putting. it's sort of like certain types of internet-derived conceptual art, where yes, you do get this incredible sense of invention and "wrongness" about it but then there's not really any ear candy there to draw you back.

er i meant "eye candy", hopefully that visual art metaphor isn't too strained.

when i hear music like footwork i feel the same way i feel when i see art like this

imo its not stuff i would pay for & play out
its cool & weird but its like ... super-functional music for the ppl who make it / primarily consume it. not that im against britishers spending their hard earned 'pounds' to help a kid in inner city chi make a few bucks instead of that money going to dubstep dj dark shadows of nottingham or w/e (made that name up)

i do like how it functions in its main environment tho ... just have trouble listening to it w/out looking at kids doing some crazy footwork ish to it. its like, theres no purpose beyond that, its not pop music, etc

not that im against britishers spending their hard earned 'pounds' to help a kid in inner city chi make a few bucks instead of that money going to dubstep dj dark shadows of nottingham or w/e

^^this is classic

heh heh

so is this basically made to do footwork routines too, like those amped-up hip hop / pop dance cheerleading mashups?

or is it more "listenable" than that, like these kids might bump this stuff in their bedroom while studying?

i can only imagine ppl who actually footwork, or produce footwork music, or dudes who read The Wire, actually listening to this while chilling in their bedrooms
also internet dudes like us 'making sense of a musical phenomenon'
this stuff is ime separate even from ghetto house targeted at dance parties that arent related to footworking
but i dont know as well as dave quam i shd ask him

i mean, 'the kids' like, uh, kanye west & waka flocka flame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiGpv-UeiDI

its cool & weird but its like ... super-functional music for the ppl who make it / primarily consume it.

i do like how it functions in its main environment tho ... just have trouble listening to it w/out looking at kids doing some crazy footwork ish to it. its like, theres no purpose beyond that, its not pop music, etc

you could say the same thing about baltimore club "bmore gutter music" was dropped - by hollertronix, no less. now there's bmore breaks all over top 40 like wtf

are there

& no, baltimore club was made for dancing by ppl at clubs. "OMG u could say the same thing about house music!!" not really

it is super-functional music for the ppl who make it / primarily consume it, but we already saw a single from the UK which showed footwork influences, I can see this music going further.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWfiog1Ure4

anyway, I do like how it functions in its main environment too, I'd prefer it to stay like this to be honest, when things go global the energy dissipates too.

it's functional music => it works well in clubs => djs from other countries play it in clubs => and here we are with some albums getting released (and the dj nate in particular is pretty conducive to non-club listening)

yeah the dj nate album is pretty nice around the house listening music imo, don't even really think of it as dance music half as much as instrumental hip hop. but i'm not crazy about the rest of the stuff been posted itt so far, which seems much more dependent on context, or knowing what footwork is & how to do it.

& no, baltimore club was made for dancing by ppl at clubs. "OMG u could say the same thing about house music!!" not really

i think we should explore this statement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrfMNoEJkRU

jurr

http://www.youtube.com/user/ghettotekz

This youtube channel is amazing.

i like listening to this stuff apart from watching crazy footwork videos or whatever, but it gets a little headache-inducing after a few tracks. doesn't surprise me at all that it appeals to people who fall for other high-bpm beat music (d&b, dubstep, baltimore, etc).

listening to this now: http://www.thefader.com/2010/11/04/stream-%CE%BC-ziqs-footwork-mix/

i'm sorry but goon squad absolutely kill it in the above video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be1o2EuOKIA

^this is the footwork track to rope in noise dudes/drone mongos/Wire subscriber asshats like me

rilly tho it's one of the most... extraordinary things I've heard all year - it's on the Bangs & Works comp that Planet Mu are putting out

I meant to post in this but when I was reading it before it was on my phone in a caravan :/

WARNING: THIS IS THE GREATEST VIDEO EVER POSTED TO THE INTERNET.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjdLcwjJJ18

npr streaming the 'bangs & works' comp, with a little article on it.

so [night slugs] are like the uk diplo right?

― i feed these skreets (tpp), Saturday, October 2, 2010 4:29 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

:) Thank you for creating a phrase that captures my contempt of Night Slugs.

i decided today this stuff's not even music

http://vimeo.com/15819811

I've decide that this is just about the most depressing noise I've ever heard.

j/k i really like dj spinn and dj rashad but a lot of this stuff i'm just having a lot of trouble getting into ...

super sick: http://soundcloud.com/ghettophiles/joey-beltram-energy-flash-dj-rashad-xtc-juke-remix

super sick: http://soundcloud.com/ghettophiles/joey-beltram-energy-flash-dj-rashad-xtc-juke-remix

whoops

i still think its hilar that i posted about this on ilx like three yrs ago & its just now suddenly a big deal
not that im saying was ahead of the curve -- i just think its lol how 'the curve' exists at all considering how long this stuff has been around.

i know uk ppl misunderstanding us music is sorta the origins of rave & all but man i was at 'the club' tonite (obv, its now 5am) and for the last hour the dudes descended from relatively populist house-dance rmxes to fukkin dubstep tracks that ppl stomp around drunkenly to. it was the most unbearable shit. i can just envision the dj rolling his eyes while playing actually-listenable music just so he can get to the 'challenging' dubstep tracks that only he understands **i cram to understand** this mindset

Were they actually the juke-inspired dubstep tunes?

"Footcrab" is dire IMO. Conversely Ramadanman's "Work Dem" is really good!

deej it's only now "a big deal" for the UK ppl that are into it because everyone has only just heard it! Most of the stuff that is being talked about here - certainly Nate and Roc - didn't get any sort of promotion outside of Chicago until Planet Mu compiled it

of the earlier juke dudes I think you'll have been able to find pockets of fandom in the UK but not sure if any of them come over to play, save for DJ Funk maybe? So it kind of limits how much you can engage with it as a form

Does anyone else kind of get the feeling that a lot of the recent interest in juke is just middle-class producers and music journalists doing a quasi-anthropological search for 'authentic' new music from Chicago ghettos and whathaveyou? It's not that I refuse to believe that this music can be good in and of itself, but I can't help but have a suspicion that a lot of what you get on FACT or whatever is white dudes from London searching for the perceived authenticity of new music by young black urban producers and getting off on how foreign sounding and authentic it sounds. I don`t know but sometimes I get a very outsider looking in and (and possibly co-opting) vibe from it.

I haven't really been following it much, so who am I to run my mouth, etc. etc.

yeah but that's the same old strawman argument we used for baile funk

Or kwaito or kudoro or whatever the shanty house flavor of the month is.

not sure why "outsider looking in" is supposed to be a bad thing in this instance

calling out people for getting into music for cred is tired at this point - especially in regard to dance music, no? growing up around dc and bmore i had this problem re: club music over the past few years and eventually got over it. poor white dudes, they're just supposed to sit around playing guitars and tubas all day? from what i've seen of the nightslugs crew and associated community they aren't at all disingenuous (or as socioeconomically status quo as some may think) vs just being into music seeing what they can make out of it and sure, getting off on how foreign sounding it is. people worrying about whether or not they're allowed to like or use a sound because they weren't born in a particular place or of a particular color aren't getting much done.

back on subject - rashad did ps1 this summer and it was really awkward for a while and super-necessary that he brought some footwork guys along to warm the crowd up. it was my first time doing ps1 and hadn't taken into account that it'd be a lot of people not specifically there for the music.

Reluctant to weigh in here as I'm way out of my comfort zone. Things like the DJ Nate album and some of the tracks off Bangs and Works (e.g. DJ Trouble) completely work for me in a home listening context; I don't think the "armchair anthropologist" criticisms have anything to go on because this music is easily appreciable without any knowledge of context for anyone who digs the post-Dilla/Burial or w/e late-night-beats aesthetic. (So it makes a lot of sense that Nate et al aren't considered part of the juke scene, as suggested way upthread)

The clubbier music doesn't do much for me but I'm among the least likely target audience for that so my opinion is irrelevant.

That Jlin record is spicy as fuck. Definitely face sweating and enjoying that burning sensation on my tongue. Can't wait to play it on a loud system.

xpost oh didn't know that. which one?

"Expand"

the jlin feels like a game-changer

i'm still waiting for dark energy to click for me. it's not as frenetic as other footwork stuff?

feels like more of a listening than a dancing album, lots of cool drum programming, but doesn't truly groove

its def more head-pleasing, like its made for you to pay attention to the patterns. a lot of it makes me think of dubstep actually, though without ever sounding like shes trying to sound like dubstep. tbh i lost interest in a lot of the stuff by footwork producers that was trying to incorporate other genres (even that made by the original chicago guys), but jlin somehow integrates dubstep-friendly elements in a much smoother, more natural way.

great mixtape: https://mallmusicinc.bandcamp.com/album/mall-music-presents-juice-ii

This DJ Orange Julius mixtape is definitely pretty great.

dj spinn raising the bar

http://backspinpromo.com/djspinnoffthatloud/

with this track specifically, "dubby" is quite old now, and i am not 100% keen on the other two

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMzjsL8vaog

https://youtu.be/Wgtfx8RttME

the Paypal album is fun, first few tracks especially. love the room-y percussion in this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVrIFxGNRb0

yeah i'm definitely gonna buy it when it comes out.

that 'Ahhhhhhh' track is sweet. have a hard time with this stuff, a lot of it sounds pretty raw, w/excess, like trigger happy samples/percussion and questionable flows.. i like how machinedrum has a more easily digestible, almost like, bibio/post rock take on the music. the jlin dark energey stuff sounds well focused.

So what have been the best juke/footwork releases this year? I've not really been keeping up

I have been loving Jlin's stuff though. The new EP is sick

my favorite footwork track this year was "off that loud", posted the video about six posts up

my faves:

DJ Spinn - Dubby (from Off that Loud EP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49cQHfWzn0o

DJ Rashad - 6613 EP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF0sDAq6aec

Mall Music Presents Juice II
https://mallmusicinc.bandcamp.com/album/mall-music-presents-juice-ii

DJ Pay Pal - Buy Now EP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DtS6caVrQA

DJ Mastercard - Virtual Crime EP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB87r3MrHNQ

Machinedrum - Movin Forward EP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3Xj4vP0Yhs

DJ Khalab - Eunoto EP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N43K6oadp4

Clap! Clap! - Simple EP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI5_ZedJnLc

RP Boo - Classics Vol 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLvOGOLq6KY

Thanks! I saw there was an RP Boo album out this year but I just haven't gotten round to picking it up yet

yeah the new rp boo is great

ne dj mastercard is great
https://mallmusicinc.bandcamp.com/album/corrupt-memories

new*

DJ Taye mix - https://www.mixcloud.com/Mixmag/in-session-dj-taye/

thanks dominique

This Taye mix is ridiculous. Really great.

Thanks in no small part to the Jlin and Paypal albums from 2015, my footwork passion has been reignited. Also interested int he Lisbon 'Batida' style and whatever it is Clap! Clap! is all about. Think these all inhabit a similar area of broken sample-based rhythms. Might it be worth starting a new rolling thread for this stuff (the title of this one is a bit old-fashioned now, right?)

fuck it Rolling Footwork / Juke / Cargaa / Shangaan/ Chaabi / Other

so ... i hear this jana rush thing is pretty good

yep

I been listening to Bangs & Works v's 1 & 2 a lot this week and ugh fuck they are so good and are actually really gr8 at the gym???

Good thread on how this stuff was experienced

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Look, you have to watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yecFTeMVSlo

dj manny’s “signals in my head” is a true song of the year candidate for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MEpEStwhLM

listened to “double cup” three times last night, how is this still so good

Been repping this excellent mix from HiTech—
https://soundcloud.com/carharttwip/carhartt-wip-radio-june-2023

yes i saw that, all that stuff is great!! i posted abt hi tech and full body du rag. haven’t heard detwat yet but i bet it’s going to be great

love Détwat, it really ups the game tbh

"last winter," a long circulating bonus track from double cup, has just been officially released in advance of its upcoming 10th anniversary reissue

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8kY46h_two

Damn, I can't believe it's been 10 years since that came out.

Me neither. Feels so recent