― dave q, Sunday, 7 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Andrew Hitchcock, Sunday, 7 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mark Dixon, Sunday, 7 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Do you really think that the 'idea' was to infiltrate the charts? I reckon for some artists this was essential - ABC and Scritti (version 2) were 'designed' to do just this. Most of the others you describe were not.
Anyway to cut to the chase -
**how did "New Pop" end up as a way to describe the likes of Wham, Howard Jones + Culture Club**?
Well, because sooner or later everything ends up like this in order to be digestible in large enough quantities by joe public. Think of any scene you like (punk, acid house, hip-hop, garage...) and there's a lite-version for the masses which came along 3-4 years later (more like 6-12 months now).
I'd like to read what The Pinefox, Billy D, Tom and Robin have to say on this.
― Dr. C, Sunday, 7 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Billy Dods, Sunday, 7 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Which was wot? Chas and Dave? Sign up those provincial bands and homogenise them? Wham sound like mods in some of the above descriptions:-)Scuse me for any misreading but implicit in the above quote is this idea that there existed this gloriously unmatchable multicultural, diverse melting pot incomparable to anywhere else in the UK. Funny really I think Detroit, I think Sheffield.
Were Madness and the Specials 'new pop'?
― Andy Hitchcock, Sunday, 7 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Other names have come up - Human League, Culture Club. I have some time for bits of their oeuvres. But I have to assume that the HL didn't get together to try to fit a Paul Morley plan. If anyone did, Frankie?
I still don't think I know this material well enough.
― the pinefox, Monday, 8 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tim, Monday, 8 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Hank, Tuesday, 9 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Billy Dods, Tuesday, 9 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
re: Morley above. He didn't make a general aesthetic distinction between Dollar and ABC, Adam Ant and the Raincoats — that was the point. They were both there, in the same chart, vibing one another up: arguing ewith one another. If Scritt Politti sold records abt Derrida and the Nolan Sisters had responded with records about Helene ("Siouxsie") Cixous, then kewl. But kewl if not: subversion was not part of the concept. Being free to allow yourself the idea that topping the charts was FUN, esp. if you did it while not essentially altering what you were ALREADY doing. Morley is caught, forever and always, between Bolan his first true love, and Joy Div is second.
Jose F in charts = fab. Charts nothing but Josef K = poor.
― mark s, Tuesday, 9 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― dave q, Wednesday, 10 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mark Dixon, Wednesday, 10 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
This thread is being revived because I wanted to start a thread about what a beautiful record "Do You Really Want To Hurt Me?" is, and I was sure somebody else must have already had this excellent idea.
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 15:34 (twenty years ago) link
Also, homophobia played an important part in new pop's demise...
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 18:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 21:25 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 22:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 22:53 (twenty years ago) link
― dave q, Wednesday, 1 October 2003 06:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 07:08 (twenty years ago) link
― Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 1 October 2003 08:49 (twenty years ago) link
My own list.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 April 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link
Most of those artists don't code as "new pop" to me. New wave, synthpop, even new romantic: yes. I'm particularly laughing my tits off at The Jam being described as "new pop" ...
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 24 April 2017 16:44 (seven years ago) link
important contribution itt
― mark s, Monday, 24 April 2017 16:48 (seven years ago) link
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IxGtRLM9HYc/maxresdefault.jpg
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 April 2017 16:51 (seven years ago) link
I do like most of the songs on the list, but no way would I put all of those artists in the same pigeonhole, and in many cases not in that particular pigeonhole.
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 24 April 2017 16:54 (seven years ago) link
'The Gift' is the Jam's New Pop album, hence trumpets and so forth
― soref, Monday, 24 April 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link
I disagree, it's just a Jam album with horns on it. If the whole LP sounded like 'The Planner's Dream Goes Wrong' or parts of early Style Council, I'd agree... but it doesn't and I don't!
― ...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Monday, 24 April 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link