Electronica: I just dont get Fennesz, K. Drumm?

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human league.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 31 December 2004 03:04 (nineteen years ago) link

lock thread please.

Ian John50n (orion), Friday, 31 December 2004 03:05 (nineteen years ago) link

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Ganbare Goemon (ex machina), Friday, 31 December 2004 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmm.

(From Fennesz, try "Transit," the Sylvian collaboration.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 December 2004 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link

or maybe try using some cotton swabs?

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 31 December 2004 03:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Those are hard to play as mp3s.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 December 2004 03:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i meant for the ears, tho i suppose they might clean up all kind of things.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 31 December 2004 03:09 (nineteen years ago) link

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Disco Nihilist (mjt), Friday, 31 December 2004 04:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Fennesz and Kevin Drumm are not "so popular". NOBODY will want to get their feet wet in electronic by listening to those two.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 31 December 2004 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Don't see why not; Oval's Sistemisch was among the first electronic stuff I ever heard, and that's really not so far off from Fennesz. Fennesz can be quite luscious and pretty - what's to intimidate?

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 31 December 2004 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

If the proverbial man on the street asked me for an introduction to electronica, I would avoid playing them Kevin Drumm because soul-choking noise isn't the most palatable thing to inflict on unsuspecting people. Similar-sounding moments by Fennesz (i.e. the track "Endless Summer" from the album of the same name, or "Happy Audio") would also likely provoke a cold response (although "Cecilia" or "Year in a Minute" might not). The fact that I personally find all of Fennesz's music beautiful (even moreso the denser, noisier songs) doesn't change that.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 31 December 2004 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I would avoid using the word "electronica."

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 31 December 2004 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyhow, I wouldn't want anyone to be turned off by electronic music just because they thought that Fennesz sounds like "static from a radio" (which is a sensible comment). I'd suggest that they hear something where the melodies are a bit easier to chew on.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 31 December 2004 04:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Start with Lucifer Black Mass by Mort Garson, then work your way forward.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Friday, 31 December 2004 04:59 (nineteen years ago) link

but if they're not predisposed to be open to liking what sounds like radio static, what's the point?

i'm being slightly cantankerous, of course, but i also kinda mean it.

philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 31 December 2004 05:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I think that is fair, the average listener is going to need bridge records.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Friday, 31 December 2004 05:01 (nineteen years ago) link

And Synth pop is probably the best place to start, although you will get more bragging rights if you start out with Mort Garson.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Friday, 31 December 2004 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.bsnpubs.com/christian/bridge.jpg

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 31 December 2004 05:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I read Meister's post to state "I'm not too familiar with electronic music, but I've heard that Drumm and Fennesz are the shit. So I listened to some of their music and I don't like it".

I wouldn't stick someone with Ornette Coleman's "Free Jazz" if they weren't too familiar with jazz, either, I'd play them Louis Armstrong or something. I wouldn't say "if you're not predisposed to liking the sound of eight guys squawking randomly, what's the point?"

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 31 December 2004 05:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't tend to reward putdowns.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 31 December 2004 05:10 (nineteen years ago) link

MindInRewind, I think you mean if they're not predisposed to be open to liking it, as philip mentioned. There are many things that I now like that I didn't immediately latch on to. The cotton swabs, they help sometimes.

mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 31 December 2004 05:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Meister never said he wasn't open to liking Fennesz and Drumm. He wanted to like them because he'd obviously heard good things about them.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 31 December 2004 05:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I read a lot more condescension in that post, but hey, maybe that's me.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 31 December 2004 05:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I was trying to think of the first electronic music record I heard but I can't remember - if someone asked me which electronic record to listen to first I probably say you should turn on the radio. As far as trying records...keep reading reviews and looking out for things, maybe ask yourself as to what else you like and try and look out for a crossover record (but even then a stylistic fusion is different from a procedural fusion).

as far as genres go...basically theare are all these fancy connections between them so I find that buying records released this year from a genre and going back isn't so bad, as developments on one genre which you haven't heard are easier to take in bcz they are paralleled in a genre which you have.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 31 December 2004 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah but you're an aggresive twunt hstencil.

Ki, Friday, 31 December 2004 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

heh, well my first answer was serious, mr. anonymous.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 31 December 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

meister, maybe you could give us more of an idea of what you're looking for? Beats? Tunes? Something danceable? Intricate or spazzy stuff?

As for Fennesz and Drumm, one thing to keep in mind is that some of us like the sound of radio static. Also, if you listen closely, you might start to notice how the sounds (which may just sound like aimless noise initially) are shaped and combined. And you might start to notice that there often still are melodies and rhythms; they're just not as obvious as in more pop-oriented stuff.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 31 December 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Ulrich Schnauss.

jenn Kane (satellitesynth), Friday, 31 December 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

(And Ned's suggestion of "Transit" is a good one. Drumm is much harsher and more extreme than Fennesz BTW. If you are looking for something in the more abstract/textural vein but that's a little less difficult than these, maybe you could try Boards of Canada's Geogaddi or Aphex Twin's Selected Ambient Works II?)

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sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 31 December 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i'd recommend 'fire in the forest' off david sylvian's blemish as a starting point for fennesz (it's just a much better song than 'transit' IMO).

a, Friday, 31 December 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

> some of us like the sound of radio static

This is the crux of the matter, Meister. There really is no accounting for taste. If you can find little of worth in the recordings of Fennesz and his ilk, just move on. It's not your bag, but there's plenty of other stuff that will be.
Try Orbital (the Insides album is their best), BT or Underworld. Kraftwerk are wonderful, Tangerine Dream had their moments, and going back even further in time, I recommend T.O.N.T.O.'s Expanding Headband and Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Co.

Palomino (Palomino), Friday, 31 December 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i'd recommend 'fire in the forest' off david sylvian's blemish as a starting point for fennesz (it's just a much better song than 'transit' IMO).

I'd say both are equally excellent but the way "Transit" functions both as a conventional song (in terms of verse/chorus structuring) and a superb arrangement of noise/static/feedback gives it the edge for me. Also, I heard that one first. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 31 December 2004 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

i heard 'fire in the forest' first - 'transit' is good, the choruses just feel a little forced to me.

"Transit" functions both as a conventional song (in terms of verse/chorus structuring) and a superb arrangement of noise/static/feedback gives it the edge

that probably stems from the way they were assembled: 'fire in the forest' = song first, arrangement second, 'transit' = a song written to fit an arrangement.

a, Friday, 31 December 2004 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link

eleven years pass...

Thanks for that. Going to buy that album because of you.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 23 October 2016 04:11 (seven years ago) link


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