ILM Classic or Dud?

1. Bands do not have to stick to a guitar-bass-drums, verse-chorus-verse format to be good.
2. Popularity is not proof of quality/poverty.
3. Lack of popularity is not proof of quality/poverty.
4. Bands do not have to write their own songs and play their own instruments to be good.

ILM is great because you can have PROPER conversations about music, without faltering at these stumbling blocks straight off.

ILM can be frustrating as hell, too (there can be lots of nit-picking and pedantic criticism). But it's worth it.

ILM is 
           unutterably classic 
Goddam you all know it, 
                       viewing it from 
distanced eyes, 
              allowing you to see 
its flaws
         just feel it. 

Dud

Yeah, nobody cares about music released in the last 20 years.

I only purchase music magazines with The Beatles or Kurt Cobain on the cover.

I find it to be most dud when people rain on the parade of long clusterfuck threads. The long clusterfuck threads are the only time I actually find ILM worth reading.

I like almost all the album threads that generate long discussions, e.g., Radiohead -- In Rainbows, M.I.A. -- Kala. They don't have to be mega-threads or anything.

I have less interest in polls, which I think have outlasted their usefulness and crossed-over into self-parody (e.g., ''Best song on some band's three-song EP'').

I find it to be most dud when people rain on the parade of long clusterfuck threads. The long clusterfuck threads are the only time I actually find ILM worth reading.

-- Hurting 2, Saturday, October 20, 2007 8:10 PM

I tend to agree. "OMG there is serious discussion happening about something, time for my hilarious imagebomb skillz!" is mad dud.

Yeah, but I don't mind people saying they don't like an album amid dozens of "OMG this is the best disc ever"-type praise. It generates discussion (so long as that discussion doesn't deteriorate into just snark).

Totally.

I love the way we all turn up here with completely different, often apparently incompatible, tastes and get on like a community anyway. It's great, and there's almost no musical area where you can't get fascinating conversation and info and suggestions. (There are few areas where you can't get idiotic abuse occasionally too, but I'll pay that price for the benefits.)

OTM. And for what it's worth I'd say I'm at maybe 12 CDs a year lately, but thanks largely to ILM they're damn good ones.

So, classic. And thanks, all.

Classic, but can we please stop with these boring catch-all, "indie-rock" kinds of threads?

That "Paler Shade of White" thread has been pretty interesting, tho.

or Indiepop threads, whatever, same thing

Nah, you guys ain't got nothing on the dude who did the Black Sabbath comp

some ILM love/hate :

http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/blog/where-have-all-the-music-messageboards-gone?utm_source=noiseyfbuk

why i otta

lol @ Ott quotes

hah hadnt seen this and posted it on what next for Chris ott?

you can guess the reaction

seriously.
ott is the issue here ?
fuck an oldster ..
i thought this article made a few valid points other than a few quotes from an ilm troll ..
but hey ..

xpost.
nope.
not seen that thread as i have no interest in old personalities of ilm.
i was more interested in the supposed/revised role of ilm of the new world.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/may/29/online-forums-musical-culture-messageboards-social-media-music-essay

Love the selection of thread titles captured in the ILM screenshot (from y’day)!

Yes. Nice, and written by Tom Ewing.

Forgot Dissensus still exists.

ha, this is awesome.

the facebook music group i am an admin of has over 16,000 members now! so, people still want to gab about music. or watch other people gab. one or the other.

conner Smedley shoutout!

something that piece doesn't touch on at all is reddit, which has largely superseded messageboards in the modern internet and has many very very active music boards. those are so large and active though that they don't have the same sense of community or slower more involved discussions that messageboards can have, part of the nature reddit in general

then there are the RYM discussion boards, which are fucking abysmal

Classic

xp it's proper

Agree with turrican here

In 20 years of reading ilm this is the most bored I’ve been by it. Honestly I may have changed and not the site but yeah basically my absence probably won’t matter all around, meh. Good luck all

When an old ILM thread is revived, I often scroll up, skim thru some posts, and reflect how much better nu-ILM is (at least for my taste)... more laid-back, much less drama. Just check out the “RTX vs. Straight-Edge” thread that was revived a few minutes ago, as an example...

*shits*

Ross - it's a football thing, sorry, the terrible pun is about a former Brazilian player called Tostao. Didn't even think about how else it might look.

🙄 what did Ross imagine the “ow” referred to in this assumed pun on his username?!

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1811/0467/products/mens-bob-ross-happy-tree-socks_30d116f3-035f-4a4c-b1b7-b4340358a44d.jpg?v=1499955789

what did Ross imagine the “ow” referred to in this assumed pun on his username?!

Ross seems to regularly turn from a mogwai to a gremlin at midnight, picking a semi-random thread in which to inexplicably invite another poster to die in a fire

(I couldn't even parse what he might be saying until your post)

That’s a great bit

Providing it is always exactly at midnight

I don't mind dull-witted people who have nothing interesting to say and have literally never said anything original or insightful ever

Feel so attacked rn

I'm no writer but try to say a little bit about things sometimes, usually just revert to dumping a bandcamp link and running away. It's no secret there's not a lot of discussion on ILM apart from when there's some controversy, don't really know how to address that though. ILM may be sleepy but at least the dickhead contingent is lower here than practically anywhere else and better than it used to be in that regard.

I know nothing about sports, sorry! Carry on

Same, I don't really have any illusions about the quality of my writing or my ability to have an extended argument about the merits of this or that music, so I mostly stick to brief comments to express my enthusiasm about my favorite music. It's been many years since I've actively tried to engage in threads about music I don't like because I just don't have the fortitude or patience to fight over it, and I don't really feel the need to shit all over something that someone else loves.

xp

If I do have much to say I usually keep it to RYM where standards are so low it doesn't matter how incoherent it is! And I also try to avoid dumping on music, there's so much else to be annoyed by or angry about, sometimes it's unavoidable though.

Older I get I would rather just listen to or make music than write about it. Love reading all of your thoughts though. Would rather turn people onto records or discover them from posters here than anything else really.

/They spawned offline meet-ups/

an ILx crew made me drink malort in Chicago in 2010.
i should have killed my account there and then.

Feel so attacked rn

You're not being attacked.

Sorry! Come back and we’ll stick with beer.

ha !
I wish I could.
was a truly wonderful experience.
even the malort.

In 20 years of reading ilm this is the most bored I’ve been by it.

I blame the music.

Plenty of good music this year tho, no?

ilm is
what u make of it

So much badness in this thread.

We just need a separate ILM for the lamest I think

maybe break into separate departments: Taxonomy, Statistics, Over-ratement Studies

We just need a separate ILM for the lamest I think

― brimstead, Saturday, July 14, 2018 1:24 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dats me! Ok with being in junior varsity

Probably should be a dedicated thread for band A + band B = band C equations. I'd be all over that.

bring back the dickheads

One of the things that made ilm good was it was relatively small, and difficult to find out about (i found it on a blogroll of a second-tier mp3 blog) which kept it small and also acted as kind of a preliminary filter

― flopson

Was it mine? I can’t remember other mp3 blogs that linked here. I was more active on the now defunct elbo.ws community back then as that’s were most mp3 bloggers posted. I don’t know how many mp3 bloggers habg around here anymore... Sean gramophone and matthew perpetua do but they are first tier...!not sure if there’s anyone else around. Tried to get Justin from Aquarium Drunkard and Chris from gorillavsbear in here but they probably thought it was dud.

It's no secret there's not a lot of discussion on ILM apart from when there's some controversy,

otm and why I mostly lurk now. also poptimism zzzzzz

Poptimism ruined ilx

It wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Poptimism, have I got that right?

I first chanced upon an ILM thread when googling "hypnagogic pop" and discovered it was just some made up bollox by someone at The Wire who'd too many yellow smarties that day.

If I remember correctly I first stumbled into ILM while looking in google for info on an obscure track (can’t remember which one was it but ILM was one of the top links on google). Lurking around I think I stumbled into Geir Hongro saying Depeche Mode was the only electronic artist with melody or some weird shit like that and I had to create a profile to express my disbelief. Little did I know this was a daily reaction for everyone in here whenever he posted. I miss the old loon sometimes.

Can't remember exactly how I found it. Probably either through the Stereolab or forum or from Simon Reynolds.

think i found it via the "ignition" thread

Unless I have the chronology mixed up I think I started lurking via bill fay -> Marcello Carlin’s blog -> ilm!

& I basically never check it now, not because I think the quality’s dropped necessarily - I don’t think I’d check whatever flavour of old school ilm now either

The Big & Rich stanning of 2004 was the beginning of the end afaic

thanks paul ponzi

Though President Donald Trump announced he wanted to run for the nation’s highest office in June 2015, Big & Rich’s John Rich first heard about Trump’s bid four years earlier when the country star won the Celebrity Apprentice.

“So I win Celebrity Apprentice, all of the confetti falls out of the ceiling, I’m standing there next to Mr. Trump,” Rich — who won season 11 of the reality show, raising a record $1.4 million for St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital — tells PEOPLE Now.

Continues Rich: “And he’s got his arm around. We were taking pictures and he leans over to me and he goes, ‘You know I’m thinking about running for president.’ And I’m going, ‘Yeah I heard about that.’ And he’s like, ‘What do you think?’ I went, ‘I think you ought to go for it man. Why not?’ and he goes, ‘Good. Thanks. Congratulations.’”

The singer-songwriter, 43, admits that looking back at that moment he never imagined he would be “hanging out with the future president” while appearing on the television series.

“Being around him on the show is not dissimilar to what you see now with him — which is you never know what he’s going to say to you,” explained Rich. “It’s how he keeps everybody on the edge of their seat.”

Now, Rich, along with bandmate Big Kenny, are busy with the release of their new album Did It for the Party.

“We were just walking through Times Square a minute ago and I stopped Kenny and I said, ‘Remember when we walked, I think it was about right here and we dropped at like 2 o’ clock in the morning, and did push ups in the middle of Times Square with our Crown and Coke sitting right next to us’ — which I’m pretty sure was not allowed,” Rich said of the duo’s craziest party moment.

He added: “But we’ve always had a great time with our music and with our lives just coming at it with everything we’ve got. All of the great things that ever happened to us — and it’s probably the same for a lot of people — happen when you’re out there just living life to the fullest. Great things happen.”

It wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Poptimism, have I got that right?

Yeah, that's my impression too - "poptimism" wasn't a term back then but this board was super poptimist from the get-go, much more then than it is now in fact.

We've truly entered an era of self-indulgence here, haven't we!?

I think it's pretty cool. Was a day you'd ask ILM to list their favorite songs you'd get silence

(or albums or anything)

imagine people talking about the music they love on i love music

let's have no more of it

We've truly entered an era of self-indulgence here, haven't we!?
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican),

I am out of touch re most of the nu-era ILM groove, but : huh ?

These are my favourite songs,what do you reckon?

Polls though, innit?