Sleep - "Jersulam"/"Dopesmoker" - C/D?

Fact of the matter is, it's not particularly great. Its mythology exceeds its listenability. The story of "Jerusalem" and "Dopesmoker" is much better in the telling than in the listening and that will always be a substantial part of its appeal. The genre's "Tales of the Topographic Ocean," maybe. Hampton-Grease Band's "Music to Eat?" In any case, if you have the patience to pick and choose in stoner and doom records, there are quite a few that are preferable to anything Sleep's catalog.

In the sense of insurmountable-object, maybe. But TFTO has the advantage of actually being good.

NO WAY.

For my money, though, I still say Electric Wizard.

jumping more to the point: ***what is the best thing to listen to besides sleep to determine whether or not its worth it to hear more??****

i always enjoyed listening to it. I have no problem with the length. I'm kinda lazy, so I'm not big on getting up anyway. i was never fanatical enough to buy the later dopesmoker version though. i never cared for the first sleep album. that one bored me, not as good as st. vitus, etc. but, yeah, jerusalem is funny and cool and it is nice and heavy. great riffs. what's not to like? the latest high on fire, i think, is the best thing the dude has ever done. i didn't really like either of the other high on fire albums i had. just sold the first one on ebay with the 45 in it where they cover celtic frost. got all of 5 bucks for it. of course, the new HOF "sounds" great and the first two sounded horrible, so that might have something to do with it.

Speaking of Grief, buyabiznatch would probably like that band. Go for any of the albums on Pessimiser or Theologian, Torso probably first followed by And Man Shall Become the Hunted. That's slowed down drawn out riffing, recorded heavy with a vocalist who sounds like he has a torn throat. It's pretty monolithic and would have a high probability of appealing to fans of Dopesmoker. I listen to Grief way more often than Sleep.

Cheesy's no obstacle to liking lots of forms of metal, or just about any other genre. I find very little entertainment that's actually
cheese free. It's one of the fundamentals, like hydrogen on the periodic table.

I'm a fan of Trouble but my favorite albums are their last two -- Manic Frustration and Plastic Green Head. Right now, PGH is probably my fave. Their version of "The Porpoise Song" kills for incinerating wah'd guitar solo. Heavy psyche influence and Beatles/Monkees/Donovan love in late period Trouble.

Nebula was a highly regarded stoner rock band for awhile. Never was able to capitalize. Spirit Caravan catalog is good early (Jug Fulla Sun), falls apart toward the end. The Obsessed, another earlier Wino band was virtually identical. Hidden Hand is up and down. Did an album with Victor Griffin in Place of Skulls. Man, he does a lot of stuff.

i already bought jerusalem so i ain't picking up dopesmoker unless'n i see it for cheap. but jerusalem's ok, i guess. holy mountain is way better - though i think the genius doesn't really kick in until the second half of the album - as is OM.

and as much as saying things are overrated is overrated, i tend to agree with roger about saint vitus these days. reagers period is best, though the wino era has some killer tunes here and there it's really in essence a compromise between the best of vitus and the best of the obsessed which makes a kind of boring muddle at times.

I would rather heat my liver with drinking.

holy mountain is fucking awesome

fyfuckingi

So, anyone going to ATP: The Fans Strike Back, May 8-10 2009, where the reformed Sleep are playing Holy Mountain and selections from Dopesmoker & more...?

oh shi

I agree with whomever said Om is better above.

Wrong

selections from dopesmoker?

I almost bought St. Vitus last night but was scared away by worries it would sound thin with no bottom end. Do they?

uh... no? i mean, which album?

if it's the s/t it's pretty thick guitar-wise

both sonically and in technique

i feel assured that there are dudes out there that shall never run out of riffs

uh... no? i mean, which album?

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I was looking at the live album (only one the store had) and thinking of the thrash I'm accustomed to that has nothin down there.

haven't heard that one, actually.

the best thing sleep ever did was accompany those white trash kids prowling around their trailer park on their dirt bikes. their albums were tedious, meandering crap that were basically black sabbath remix records

CHALLOPSIN

Drop out of life with the bong in hand
Follow the smoke toward the Challopsian Land
Proceeds the Challopsian, Pantheism F. Mohair

mentalist
x-posts

that doesn't make sense, HOOS. the weed is making him challops?

RMXRMXRMXRMXRMXRMX

its just like

omg did you know early Scott Storch beats sounds just like Dr. Dre

why yes in fact that is exactly why i listen to and enjoy them but thank you for opening my eyes and all doggie

I'm tired of Sabbath songs but want more Sabbath sounds hence Sabbath The Genre aka stoner metal you know?

"Wrong"

I haven't heard Holy Mountain, but Dopesmoker/Jerusalem doesn't quite do it for me. I think Conference of Birds is my favorite thing from the whole Sleep/High on Fire/Om axis.

I'm tired of Sabbath songs but want more Sabbath sounds hence Sabbath The Genre aka stoner metal you know?

I guess, but these guys are a low-rent knockoff. It's not like it is with Beatles, how they paved the way for a much better and much more transcendent band with better music, lyrics, and singing quality-- Oasis.

hahaha

what's so funny

oh man you were serious huh

man this troll can roll

Marihuanaut's Theme is killer

And its lyrics are hilarious, but somehow just right

Where to start with the new stuff?

the first track on the new album?

well, 2nd. the first track is an all-too-typical-for-the-genre pointless intro

True! Still. Just give the new album a listen.

What’s diSalvo’s take?

So, gonna finally see these dudes. They're doing a three night stand at the end of the year here in SF; going to the first night as it's 1) cheaper and 2) Grayceon's the opener, and I seem to remember liking a few things by them.

where is this happening

Great American

Amazing gig.

this looks tempting

I hate New Year's celebrations as a general rule but this seems like an actually fun thing to do, more fun than staying home anyway

Have never seen Sleep. Saw Om at some point (supporting Sunn O))) [how many brackets?]), who were magnificent. Hopefully, Sleep will tour the UK again at some point.

“Jersulam”

xpost Yeah really enjoyed Om when I finally saw them about a decade back. Never have seen High on Fire. But at least there's this!

Have seen both Om (twice - including the show Ned was at iirc) and High On Fire - the former more hypnotic and the latter more pummeling/shredding but both were good. Sleep is obviously somewhere in the middle

(altho I have never seen Sleep tbc)

You'll love it. They started with Marihuanaut's Theme and bludgeoned us into a state of bliss.

are there any other 2018 shows? looks like they toured earlier in the year

Yeah looks like they're doing a December US tour in general:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/officialsleep/events/

$330 APIECE?!

wtf

too rich for my blood

Eh? I paid $50 for mine, you sure you weren't looking at the three day pass?

sigh yeah a tour of the south :(

this says $330 https://greatamericanmusichall.secureboxoffice.com/E/e-2850804/v-2092

that's for 4 tickets?

oh wait nm

yeah but they're all $330 each! fucking ticket sites are such a scam. I should've drilled down my search results more and just gone here, where they are in fact $50: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/sleep-saturday-gamh-w-grayceon-tickets-50364070290#tickets

heyo I have two tickets to see SLEEP at the Great American tonight…. But I am sick ☹
On the off-chance that anyone is in town tonight and wants to see this show (which is sold out), or knows anyone who wants to see this show, plz let me know and I will happily sell my tix! webmail me. Tix were $60 apiece.

guesses on price?

https://thirdmanstore.com/tmr-vault-platinum-subscription-new#

way more than the $20 ticket price for the actual show.

It says $60 right there at the top