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ok i ws thinking of desk set, with hepburn and tracy, haha. but the movie u describe sounds fantastic!

noodle otm re fascinating faces. i like movies divided into days or chapters, also

― 007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link

le mepris
pierrot le fou
le doulos
the thing
once upon a time in the west
the wild bunch
one, two,three
fallen angels
the third man
repo man

hate

3000 miles to graceland
arlington road
darkness falls
the killer elite
hero (the garcia one)
wing commander
ghostbusters 2
harvard man
clay pigeons
cold creek manor

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i enjoy the idea of 3000 miles but its a howie long thing, i had no idea ppl disliked ghostbusters 2

― 007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

river of slime, haunted painting, what's to hate right? but still, very unfunny and as ragget might say, unfun

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:30 (eighteen years ago) link

also i think 3000 incl a funny kind of, caught fucking, scene ft who courtney cox and kurt russell? also wait lovitz is in it? stupid elevator shit too

i dunno how long its been since ive seen gbusters 2. it cld be i only wish it well cuz it actual scared me the 1st time, vlad. if its not funny im w you

― 007 (thoia), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

thing is, ghostbusters 2 was by far the most anticipated movie of '89 (90?) on my must-see list, so i went opening weekend with my brother and dad. we were pretty excited but i tell you what, i've never seen a grimmer-looking audience leaving a theater when the lights came up.

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

3000 Miles to Graceland had one of the best trailers I've ever seen for a horrible movie

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.spietati.it/speciali/mizoguchi/foto/miss-oyu1.jpg

miss oyu

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link

haha i think i grafted the "computers" part of the plot from desk set to the other movie. but the other movie DOES exist, I'm sure. desk set is great too.

also, gear, how could you hate the killer elite!? that movie is so fucking funny.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm a huge peckinpah fan to the point that i'm not sure anyone else anywhere from '69-'74 was doing better work, however i found that movie to be a bit of a mess and mostly very bad. i did like bo hopkins in it, though!

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

corporate ninjas!

it's a totally weird mess, yeah, but i love how strange and absurd the whole thing is.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:55 (eighteen years ago) link

actually i probably dislike some other peckinpah films more, but this one disappointed me most.

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:56 (eighteen years ago) link

1. Casablanca
2. Apocalypse Now
3. Harold and Maude
4. Pillow Talk
5. His Girl Friday
6. Fantasia (original)
7. Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown
8. Seventh Seal
9. Star Wars (the first one released, in 1970s)
10. Jesus Christ Superstar

I can't remember the ones I hate.

― Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 17 July 2005 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link

seventh seal?

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 00:30 (eighteen years ago) link

but yeah when i saw the title, the killer elite, i thot how cld this be bad? but 1ce i saw it ws peckinpah i kind of understood

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 00:33 (eighteen years ago) link

http://walkwithjoaquin.com/

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Ten, for today -
Beau travail (Denis)
Cat People (Tourneur)
Pierrot le fou (Godard)
Dead Ringers (Cronenberg)
The Crying Game (Jordan)
Andrei Roublev (Tarkovsky)
Mildred Pierce (Curtiz)
A Woman Under the Influence (Cassavetes)
Nostalghia (Tarkovsky)
Léo en jouant 'dans la Compagnie des Hommes' (Desplechin) FIND ME A COPY ON TAPE PLZ!

Least -
True Lies (Scott Seward OTM, shrill, sexist, stupid, offensive in every possible way)
Bottle Rocket
Magnolia
12 Monkeys
Wild At Heart
Seul contre tous
Le fabuleux destin d'Amelie ~~Putain~~ Poulain
American Beauty (MASSIVE HATE!!! makes me angry just thinking about it)
julien donkey-boy
La collectioneuse
Lock, Stock..
I think I hate Lars von Trier but I haven't seen any of his movies. I hate Kubrick, I see the art in what he does, but I hate it. I really need to see more Bresson films, some more of Abel Ferrara, and about ten films by Fassbinder.

Much love for Office Space and Big Lebowski (best thing the Coens ever did). Fight Club is fascinating, I used to think the ending was such a cheesy fairy tale cop out and it kind of is, but then, Marla is the one who doesn't really exist and Ed Norton doesn't get to date Brad Pitt any more, so maybe it's not so have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too after all.

― daria g (daria g), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i like von trier but cried at dancer in the dark so idk where the false moves are

i find that dismissal of true lies astonishing but otherwise im kind of w you, i mean, rublev is inscrutable and everything

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

true lies! so terrible.

― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link

haha yeah if its offensive in every possible way, and terrible. it might even lag! i like when arnold talks to ppl

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I was yelling at True Lies in the theater it made me so mad, and I was like 15 at the time, I think.. there was nothing to do in my town, somebody dragged me out to see it.

There are a number of films I should've listed in the sense of "these are great films," but I was thinking let me just put a lot of the split personality psychosis type of stuff.

More..
Peau neuve (Emilie Deleuze)
George Washington (David Gordon Green)
Ratcatcher (Lynne Ramsay)
Trouble Every Day (Claire Denis)
La captive (Akerman)
Les glaneurs et la glaneuse (Agnes Varda)
Nha fala (Flora Gomes - GO SEE if you can manage to find it)

― daria g (daria g), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Gordon Green's films are never as good as I want them to be.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:00 (eighteen years ago) link

whats that other ramsay movie, the mixtape suicide one, is it ok? agree w milo altho ive only seen george washington, faraway theater, felt like i ws waiting there, moving my eyes, but green is good in the sun huh? glaneurs is so great

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost to 007 - Seventh Seal is an Ingmar Bergman film, with the famous scene where the knight plays chess with death.

― Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Morvern Callar is the mixtape suicide one. I love it, but my opinion was very much in the minority at ILE from what I remember.

Gordon Green's dialogue frustrates me to death - so many pregnant pauses that don't deserve the weight he gives them, and then the Malick-aping that matches his visual poetry but never integrates as well with the story. But then he tells such an incredible story visually and gets great performances otherwise that I can forgive him to some degree.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:19 (eighteen years ago) link

haha no i know i just thot it ws unwatchable. i like fanny and alexander a whole lot. i havent really fucked w bergman that much, i like when hes sentimental, or on relationships, i guess

milo 1ce again otm

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:22 (eighteen years ago) link

omg i hated hated hated natural born killers. gabbneb otm

― t0dd swiss (immobilisme), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link

but robert downey jr!

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Most
Scorpio Rising (Kenneth Anger)
Bad Boys II (Michael Bay)
When the Applause Died (Nick Bougas)
The Ladies' Man (Jerry Lewis)
The Birds (Alfred Hitchock)
L'Argent (Robert Bresson)
Kapunga Island (George Kuchar)
To Live and Die in L.A. (William Friedkin)
Star 80 (Bob Fosse)
Unsere Afrika Reise (Peter Kubelka)
Least
Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2003 remake
You've Got Mail
What Dreams May Come
Amarcord
Hannibal
Forces of Nature
Great Expectations (Ethan Hawk-Gweneth Paltrow)
Life Aquatic

― theodore fogelsanger (herbert hebert), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i was actually going to post this on the ILX dreams thread, but my first-ever ILXor-related dream last night involved amateurist asking me if i wanted to see his favorite movie with him!

my can't-think-very-straight-at-the-moment list:

the umbrellas of cherbourg
imitation of life
blue velvet
cries and whispers
a woman under the influence
annie hall
umberto d.
children of paradise
robocop
window water baby moving

can't think of a hate list right now

― joseph (joseph), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

TEDDY OTM

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:40 (eighteen years ago) link

idk abt life aquatic, i havent seen it, but youve got mail boy oh boy

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:41 (eighteen years ago) link

joe, cries and whispers, theres probably a bergman sd but i like this thread. has ppl seen scenes from a marriage, persona, wild strawberries and on? i 1ce saw persona clipped in a doc and it looked so incredible, vs the grainy vhs i thot i saw wo air conditioning. i havent seen him championed locally, might be unfashionable, but like i sd i like 1 movie

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

what are we talking about here, i just saw theodore fogelsanger's list, this isn't favourite films, is it?

...is it?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link

oh shit i misread, meant to say youve got mail is awesome, teddy your wrong. still, to live and die in la, sounds fantastic

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

persona and wild strawberries both wonderful, haven't seen scenes... the only bergman films i haven't terribly liked have been the seventh seal and winter light. and i need to see a better version of the magician before i pass judgment.

― joseph (joseph), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

haha yeah i ws all, here is a guy who likes the birds and also gwen so maybe aquatic is in fact ok and ppl are reacting in bold to some hate, misplaced

and cries and whispers also, its abt a family, coming apart, maybe cancer im imagining?

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link

bad boys 2?

― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link

actually the michael bay caught my eye but i love late meg ryan romcoms, esp youve got mail and kate and leopold. french kiss is ok. do yall realize dude who made kate and leopold not only made cop land but also girl interrupted but also forthcoming johnny ca$h joaquin movie? i wonder if, identity, the movie, is worth sh!t

gear i forget if you like bb2, from probably a scarjo thread, or that it ws like miccio. i havent seen it. i like maybe only the rock, im going to check, but ill take any mbay love. i think accusing him of eg music video editing is totally misplaced, other shit cld be more valid yeah

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

huh yeah i only like the rock. i must like that movie alot. a, remember when. if heaven for me is a rock faceoff drivein dbl feature w dbl decker cheeseburgers and skates i hope i dont get bored

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:03 (eighteen years ago) link

The Rock is good but it's all about the acting. it's like Bay's directorial instincts in that are totally opposed to the weird dialogue and acting.

Bad Boys II is shit but better than the first one.

― Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:03 (eighteen years ago) link

you guys have GOT to see the island

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:04 (eighteen years ago) link

dont forget solemn ed harris scenes! but yeah the rock is kind of screwball and longtake in a roundabout way and nicks beatles girlfriend really worked for me as a teenager or preteen depending on the release. ive been dreaming the island as buscemi w a belly and ewan on some selfparody and i will see it trust me

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link

i actually was really into the rock when i saw it (in paris!!) but since then he's totally left me cold (armaggedon) or faintly disgusted (bad boys 2, pearl harbor), or, more recently, bemused (the island)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link

when i saw the rock it ws just dope there existed a motorcycle, tall metrox willowy director and i had a piggy bank for the like $150 laserdisc and now i think the great thing is there just arent that many explosions, and still all the sf and traz baggage and locations. my mouths watering at some slight of hand, baffling michael b yeah, lost in the silicon grap

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:18 (eighteen years ago) link

also in re true lies, i hope its obvious, yes i do think its fun to watch and geniunely funny, and sexy, at times, but also interesting insofar as what it does that isnt done anymore, its often apologetic, i think, and insofar as terrorism, skyscrapers. tia. it isnt unique but its early w current events. that is i kind of really dig its um innocence lost aspect, dont think this thread is really abt discussing shit that is conventionally good exactly, but abt taste, i like movies when theyre social

i dont even know if stupid is a pejorative at this pt

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:44 (eighteen years ago) link

genuinely too

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:45 (eighteen years ago) link

when i say a movie is stupid i tend to be talking about poor story construction!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah that makes sense, i dunno, i mean im all for praising a movie that like comes together or full circle or smthng formal or even gimmicky at the end but there are so many things that bother me abt shitty movies beside the arc that i dont think abt it, stupidity, in that context, but really i dont know what you mean by story construction, altho id like to! and yeah i realise i just wrote, shitty movies, as if it ws well agreed upon, i just mean the ones i scoff at or something, shit w daniel day lewis etc

stupid v thoughtless, maybe?

― 007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link

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