AMC zombie series from Frank 'Majestic' Darabont - The Walking Dead

thought dans post read "zombie anal movie".

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noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I knew there had to be at least one.

it paints homosexuals in a bad light.

as zombies.

well if you want hetero

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i think that was my first wife amirite!!111

New DTV flick Horno has venereal zombieism, spread through sodomy, plaguing a (het) porn shoot. It's absolutely terrible.

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^^^want to play, haven't gotten yet

Nothing wrong with that, but like the mentioned earlier, the characters are not aware of Romero's world in their particular world. It's fun, funny stuff, but it still shows the zombie survivor learning curve in effect.

dont see why the characters need to have seen romero movies for the movie to be a genre deconstruction?

like why is that a dealbreaker?

to deconstruct a genre, you have to get in under the hood and, you know, deconstruct it. take it apart. show how it works in ways that aren't immediately self evident. i'd say that history of violence deconstructs stories of violent heroism because it questions them, examines them, plays games with the means by which they generate their emotional effects. shawn really is just a straight-up zombie movie with jokes. it doesn't have anything to say about zombie movies, doesn't show or tell us anything about them we didn't know going in. the basic formula isn't deconstructed, it's merely referenced (constantly).

except for the scene where they sneak through town and get into the pub by pretending they are also zombies

i dunno man, i would say the central conceit - that the humans are more zombie-like than the zombies - is a pretty shrewd "take-apart"

wasn't that already done in whichever Romero movie was set in the mall?

mall of the dead

lol

I looked it up, it was Dawn

i mean, it's not as explicit as like, scream, but they are playing with pretty much every zombie movie convention, they're just not actually saying "this is the part where in the movie they'd do this"

romero's movies frequently make the point that humans are much like zombies to begin with, but i wouldn't call night of the living dead and dawn of the dead deconstructions because of this. it's a form of social criticism that seems appropriate to the setting.

im not sure we agree on what is a "deconstruction." plz to name me other examples.

i get where you're coming from s1ocki, but i'm hesitant to call a jokey half-parody a deconstruction, especially when it doesn't say anything about the basic nature and function of the genre it supposedly deconstructs. i think of SotD as a satire, and like most satire, it observes the formal conventions of a genre while also gently tweaking them. deconstruction, as i understand it, seeks to tease out the deep meanings and contradictions hidden beneath a text's surface.

now that i've said that, though, i suppose you could argue that all satire IS deconstruction, at least of a sort. why not? satire seeks to make the machinery of genre evident.

aiport was a radical deconstruction of disaster movies

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I don't think you can call anything that's meta or self-referential deconstructed, especially when it comes to comedy, which has been breaking the 4th wall since forever

i don't know that there is much real deconstruction in popular film. scream exposes the machinery of slasher films in a way that's similar to SotD (more direct, less jokey), but again, doesn't have much to say about the genre. i guess you could say that revisionist westerns often deconstruct the genre in one way or another: unforgiven, dead man, etc. also think of 70s detective dramas like the conversation and night moves, which suggest that paranoia and a delusional desire to control chaos are the engines of the genre.

stretch to call the conversation a "detective drama", but bear with me

yeah well deconstruction is a critical approach and trying to find evidence of a critical approach in a work of art is a good way to drive yrself mad

"if you want to criticize a film make a film" - jean-luc picard

what is the point of this exercise

staying fit and trim until the next episode of the walking dead airs

any film that tries to expose the internal conflicts of genre or of film itself could said to be involved in deconstruction

my favorite example is two-lane blacktop, a racing film where the participants end up drifting away, physically and psychologically

I haven't heard so much talk of deconstruction since Project Runway.

or since top chef

Zombie Voltaggios

The zombie movie version of Funny Games would have a five minute shot of zombies graphically eating someone slowly, after 45 minutes of slow shambling and long shots of flies taking off and landing on flesh.

suppose you could say that depalma deconstructs the relationship between film and its audience, in that he's constantly interrogating "looking at" and "listening to" in his films (watched dressed to kill last night). it seems more like an artistic obsession than an intellectual investigation, but i'm not sure that's a make-or-break distinction when discussing works of art.

anyway, looking forward to ep 2 of walking dead, which i probably won't see for several weeks. wonder if it will ramp up or slack off in the inventive gore department.

that's where it gets sketchy - the line between the director being a critical intellectual and supporting an aesthetic goal can get mighty thin. depalma got all his voyeurism steez from hitchcock anyway.

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The zombie movie version of Funny Games would have a five minute shot of zombies graphically eating someone slowly, after 45 minutes of slow shambling and long shots of flies taking off and landing on flesh. the hero had shot all the zombies in the head and the director ran the film back to let them have a second crack at it.

I thought "Buffy" was a pretty good deconstruction of vampire mythology, for example. Like, its characters are fully aware of vampire mythology, even as the vampires don't always adhere to said mythology. And when the most mythological of all vampires shows up, the other vampires make fun of him for being a showoff.

In some ways, something like "The Devil's Rejects" is a deconstruction of ... something. Especially the way it wallows in pure "horror" for so long, only to briefly flip your sympathies when the antagonists are treated to the same torture and general unpleasantness as they formerly treated the ostensible protagonists. It twists the usual us vs. them dynamics into a nihilistic ambivalence

"Beetlejuice" is, I suppose, a clever deconstruction of ghost stuff, played for laughs.

Granted, I'm going by my own internalized definition of "deconstructed," wherein the characters are aware of genre conventions (at least Buffy and Beetlejuice) and generally use them to their advantage. Devil's Rejects I guess is just more generically subversive.

I stick to my statement above - "I don't think you can call anything that's meta or self-referential deconstructed" - deconstruction involves giving a genre a real acid bath, pointing out internal conflicts, forcing it to break down, and not just "hey I'm a vampire killer who knows about vampire movies".

something like buffy is postmodern and hyperaware of its own conceits but if you use deconstruction as a description of aesthetics, I imagine it as producing something more aggressively antithetical to the viewer's needs and expectations

the fourth indiana jones was way deconstructive in that case

guess I needed to throw an "intentionally" in there

depalma got all his voyeurism steez from hitchcock anyway.

dislike this criticism of depalma (no offense). he owes a lot to hitchcock, sure, but in films like blow out, dressed to kill, body double and femme fatale, he takes that voyeurism steez and runs so far over the horizon with it that it becomes something distinctly his.

I AM OFFENDED

tbh I like depalma more than I like hitch

agree with edward III here. films like buffy, beetlejuice and the devil's rejects don't deconstruct their genres. they're merely explicitly aware of them and/or subversive about them. i mean, what does buffy have to say about vampire mythology (other than that it's silly and fun)? what does it attempt to show us about the guts of the genre that we didn't know going in? nothing. therefore it isn't really a deconstruction.

me too (xpost)

oh hey super-primitive deconstruction: man with a movie camera

so I reread the beginning of the thread and these 3 ominous premonitions sum up everything I didn't like about the show

The admittedly small number of issues I read didn't seem to either add anything significant to zombie mythology or have particularly interesting characters.

― A brownish area with points (chap), Thursday, October 14, 2010 7:02 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

zombie apocalypse is a great canvas for right wing/nra/libertarian types to express their i-told-you-so-liberal-faggits wish fullment on and i thought the books veered close to this territory too often for my reading comfort.

― MAX NOT FOR MOD (Roberto Spiralli), Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:43 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Why do people hate the comic but expect this to be good? Should I not even ask?

because i'm pretty sure kirkman has no idea how human relationships work, and everything reads like teenage melodrama. any writer would be an improvement.

― the parking garage has more facebook followers than my band (Jordan), Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:46 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark