Landlocked versus ocean-view cities doesn't really make sense to me. Oceans are nice, but what if I'm running away from someone and there's an ocean! I'm stuck! I can't go any further in that direction without a boat!
― mh, Monday, 8 November 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
though not nearly as major of cities, salt lake city and brisbane AU are located near-but-far from major bodies of water. i bet in all these cases there were very local reasons for where they located: the great salt lake is nasty. brisbane's on a river anyway and the land near the ocean is swampy (? iirc)
― avinha, Monday, 8 November 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
The Great Salt Lake is a sea rather than a lake, so its level can change fairly dramatically. Also there was nothing anywhere else on it you'd want to travel to.
Los Angeles probably grew from the Spanish mission chain, travel between which was done by horse and wagon. It's kind of midway between the San Gabriel and San Fernando missions, near where two "rivers" meet.
(lol at SoCal rivers)
― nickn, Monday, 8 November 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
despite the l.a. history i still think it's a little unusual that eventually the oceanfront didn't develop into a more urban center. l.a. is just unusual all around for various reasons i guess, so the rules don't apply as readily.
― omar little, Monday, 8 November 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i bet in all these cases there were very local reasons for where they located: the great salt lake is nasty
Brigham Young & crew saw the salty water & gulls and thought they'd actually reached the Pacific Ocean. That's why SLC is where it is.
― 17th Century Catholic Spain (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
http://mormonarchuletafan.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/photo4262.jpg
meaning the ocean
― 17th Century Catholic Spain (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
despite the l.a. history i still think it's a little unusual that eventually the oceanfront didn't develop into a more urban center.
Demographically, Long Beach is actually a pretty big city - more populous than Miami, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Minneapolis but usually forgotten in LA's shadow.
― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh go ahead and laugh, but for at least a hundred years the LA River was pretty significant as a primary water source for the area. That is until people got tired of all the flooding.
― Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:20 (thirteen years ago) link
los angeles is the only major city i can think of at the moment that is very close to a major body of water but has its downtown located 15 miles inland.
― omar little, Monday, 8 November 2010 21:55 (Yesterday)
london, rome
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
he specified "major city"
― honkin' on joey kramer (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
(jokes bruv)
― honkin' on joey kramer (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
i was thinking since those cities had rivers running through them into the nearby seas that those didn't really count.
― omar little, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
there was a river in los angeles, once
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
A river of sin and degradation maybe
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
that one's still there afaik
― Adrian Roosevelt "Adie" Mike (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Ah shot you beat me to it. Comedic timing does not work on the Internet.
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link
LA's (for the most part) a 20th century city = it didn't build up around water routes for trade/transport the same way that older cities did
― iatee, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
record-breaking zinger's remorse there aerosmith, ruined it for me a little tbh
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry d-mac it's like I have had some of the best times of my life in London so I couldn't let the zing hang around too long
― honkin' on joey kramer (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I read that zing as rome-only for some reason
― iatee, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
cause I mean...italy
I've only ever been to a tiny little town called Rovereto & I was only there for like 12 hours. then we flew out of Milan but it was like 5 a.m. so the zing was actually secretly only a London dis because all of what I know about Rome ends with the reign of Tiberius.
― honkin' on joey kramer (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link
guess what else...during those 12 hours I didn't have any decent food at all
my experience with Italy sucked tbqf
e wasnt gladeatethere
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link
rome is my least favorite city in the world I think
― iatee, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link
the parts everyone goes to see are still the greatest things i think i've ever seen, but yeah tbh the rest of it was not pleasant.
― cant believe you sb'd me for that (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.grist.org/article/2010-11-14-moving-to-the-suburbs-for-your-kids-think-again
― based lord sotosyn (The Reverend), Monday, 22 November 2010 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link
About the AuthorDavid Owen is a staff writer for the New Yorker, a contributing editor to Golf Digest, and a frequent contributor to the Atlantic Monthly. His other books include The First National Bank of Dad, The Chosen One, The Making of the Masters, and My Usual Game. He lives in Washington, Connecticut.
― get off my lawn (rockapads), Monday, 22 November 2010 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
*thinks again, gets in car, laughs at people at the bus stop*
― buzza, Monday, 22 November 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I may read his book, and will probably agree with a lot of it. I just found it amusing that he lives in the middle of nowhere. Guess he isn't crazy about living in urban density himself. I wonder if he commutes to his job in NYC.
― get off my lawn (rockapads), Monday, 22 November 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link
wikipedia:
Transportation
Route 202 runs east-west in the northern part of town, connecting the villages of Marbledale, New Preston, and Woodville. Route 109 runs east-west near the town's geographic center, connecting Washington Depot with New Milford and Morris. The main north-south highways are Route 47, Route 199, Route 45. There is no public transportation within the Town of Washington.
― iatee, Monday, 22 November 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
iatee can i just say, now that the hubub of this thread has died down, that you were a total right-on trollin' otm bro upthread. i loved what you gave itt
― con suelo, Monday, 22 November 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
:) thx
― iatee, Monday, 22 November 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
Was talking with coworkers about how I never really go far outside my neighborhood + downtown outside of work anymore, because I don't have to. They said they really don't go far outside their general suburban areas. The difference being that the places they go are all chains and strip malls. There are some pretty cool local businesses, but you have to go around the giant parking lots and jump from... strip mall to strip mall.
― mh, Monday, 22 November 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/29/AR2010122904445.html
― iatee, Friday, 31 December 2010 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I sometimes think of things - crystal beings - things in the woods.
― Latham Green, Friday, 31 December 2010 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link
With fuel prices surging don't u think this trend will reverse?
― infinity rebounding stats (m bison), Friday, 31 December 2010 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean I'm dismayed by the news but not totally surprised.
― infinity rebounding stats (m bison), Friday, 31 December 2010 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
in the longer-term yeah, I do think it will, but it's amazing how quickly the national recession-era decision making disappeared
― iatee, Friday, 31 December 2010 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link
We'll tell our kids of our belt tightening ways, how we trekked to Jennings ford and bought the escape instead of the expedition and how grandma cried that day but we made it
― infinity rebounding stats (m bison), Friday, 31 December 2010 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
http://persquaremile.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/the-worlds-population-concentrated.png
― max, Saturday, 22 January 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link
sprawl owns
― David Warner (Princess TamTam), Saturday, 22 January 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
lol at the houston world sprawltropolis, prob would be a pretty shitty commute
― iatee, Saturday, 22 January 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Why did they keep using South Central for that? Pretty cool.
― Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 22 January 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link
was reading something interesting on houston today:
http://austinzoning.typepad.com/austincontrarian/files/ssrnid8372441.pdf
― iatee, Saturday, 22 January 2011 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link
also fwiw paris density can be misleading cause the political body 'paris' is a very tiny part of the agglomeration vs. nyc, where all 5 boroughs are included in the average. manhattan's denser than paris proper and nyc is denser than the paris + the petite couronne (the 3 very built up urban/suburban departments that surround it).
― iatee, Saturday, 22 January 2011 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
are you a town planner or in a related field iatee?
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 22 January 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
if you look at their entire urban areas, Paris is much more dense than NYC.
― the journey you take with bob ross (askance johnson), Saturday, 22 January 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
some of the boroughs at the edge of greater london contain open countryside, which skews the density somewhat, but inner london is probably less densely developed than other major cities
― nakhchivan, Saturday, 22 January 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
haha no I def considered it in college and I have some friends who are but the job market didn't seem worth it. tho I'd jump at any career opportunity in the field that didn't require going back to school. xp
― iatee, Saturday, 22 January 2011 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link