I Wanna POLL On A Sunny Day - JAMC's Honey's Dead

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System, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Well, I'm guessing that was me & DJP who were the only votes for Catchfire. ;_;

Wheal Dream, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 10:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Yup. ;_;

DJP, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

man I underrate "Good For My Soul" a lot

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link

two years pass...

fuck "Teenage Lust" is so great. even that weirdass Desdemoana mix (that is available on the deluxe reissue of the album)

I don't know any Curve but if the post by Wheal Dream above is right, I should get on that, because this is a day where I want more of the mix of this nasty guitar shit on pop songs

or else I should just finally look into what "industrial music" is? total blind spot for me

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 2 March 2015 17:52 (nine years ago) link

I don't know any Curve

MY GOD, MAN

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 March 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link

five years pass...

I don't really know how I feel about this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E51kZc8mdA

I must reiterate, that my adult self is very much "this is highly questionable and totally inappropriate!" and my teenage self is very much "FUCK YEAH FUCK YEAH FUCK YEAH THIS RAWKS!"

I'm not sure why, at the moment, I can only listen to Scottish bands from 1992, but this is where I'm at?

Did anyone ever figure out which songs were Jim's and which songs were William's?

I wonder if Euler ever investigated either Curve or Neubauten based on this thread...

Branwell with an N, Thursday, 1 October 2020 09:25 (three years ago) link

y u no lyk 'Rollercoaster', ilm? Obvious choice IMHO.

Nag! Nag! Nag!, Thursday, 1 October 2020 10:36 (three years ago) link

Can't speak for anyone else, but - well, it's not that I don't love Rollercoaster (like I love all of their weird obsessive Bob Dylan rips, like I love the Mary Chain doing Bob Dylan in a way I don't love Bob Dylan?) but just that the entire album is such a cavalcade of awesomeness that the entire second half just slides one into another.

It's funny how I know Psycho Candy is supposed to be their best and most quintessential and most essential and all, but all in all, I think Honey's Dead is actually my favourite. It's the only album where I love every single song, there is not a bad track on this album (which is a test that Psycho Candy fails). And the most perfectly realised balance of ... what I feel the Mary Chain was about?

Branwell with an N, Thursday, 1 October 2020 12:09 (three years ago) link

I was on the Mary Chain train from the start, but when Honey’s Dead came out, I thought that’s it, they will never top this.
My favourite is Darklands tho. And “Sidewalkin” is my fav single.

assert (MatthewK), Thursday, 1 October 2020 12:27 (three years ago) link

also I’m pretty sure William sings the William songs and Jim sings the Jim songs

assert (MatthewK), Thursday, 1 October 2020 12:29 (three years ago) link

It doesn't say on my copy which songs are William songs and which are Jim songs?

(And yes, after 35 years, I still struggle to tell their voices apart - and also, occasionally Jim does sing William songs?)

Branwell with an N, Thursday, 1 October 2020 12:35 (three years ago) link

Of that first run, Psychocandy is the one I listen to the least. Automatic the most, Darklands second, Honey's Dead I save for when I want to be surprised by how awesome it is. Maximum Curve crossover.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 October 2020 12:46 (three years ago) link

xp Wullie has the thicker brogue and huskier voice (“Nine Million Rainy Days”) and Jim has the nasal whine (“Reverence”)

assert (MatthewK), Thursday, 1 October 2020 12:52 (three years ago) link

Jim does do a far better fake American accent, that's the only way I can ever distinguish them.

Branwell with an N, Thursday, 1 October 2020 12:57 (three years ago) link

very true

assert (MatthewK), Thursday, 1 October 2020 12:58 (three years ago) link

I downloaded the entire Neubauten discography based on this but didn't really know where to start. So I'm interested: where, based on loving the Mary Chain, should I start with them?

All cars are bad (Euler), Thursday, 1 October 2020 13:06 (three years ago) link

If you want to know where the sample comes from, start at the very beginning with Kollaps.

The Neubauten stuff that JAMC are doing a kind of 'pop' version of on this album is probably more like Haus der Lüge, which is a good intro / entry point for a Mary Chain fan. Haus der Lüge or maybe Halber Mensch?

Branwell with an N, Thursday, 1 October 2020 13:12 (three years ago) link

I've honestly never made much of a connection between Neubauten and JAMC. I guess you're talking the ... industrial noise? There are a few other acts I can think of that her really good at just draping poppy songs with artfully crafted white noise. AR Kane, Shriekback ... and yeah, Curve.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 October 2020 13:29 (three years ago) link

The connection is that the Mary Chain absolutely adored Neubauten?

Sampled them liberally on this album?

And they completely cop to it, like him out of Mogwai interviewed Jim and was all

SB: I’m out of questions, but I’m friends with Bobby and his question was: "On what record or song do you think you achieved the perfect combination of the Shangri Las and Einstürzende Neubauten?"

Which Jim said was too difficult, because, basically... all of them?

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jun/15/mogwai-stuart-braithwaite-interviews-jesus-and-mary-chain-jim-reid-all-tomorrows-parties

(Have you ever heard Neubauten's cover of Sand by Nancy Sinatra, because that track is basically the basis of at least 50% of the Mary Chain's more downbeat, acoustic albums like Darklands and Stoned and Dethroned.)

Branwell with an N, Thursday, 1 October 2020 13:36 (three years ago) link

thanks, I'm excited to check this all out!

All cars are bad (Euler), Thursday, 1 October 2020 13:59 (three years ago) link

xpost I just mean I wouldn't expect any fan of one to necessarily be a fan of the other.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 October 2020 14:34 (three years ago) link

Anyway, one of the many things I like about the JAMC is that they are the perfect synthesis of so many blatant influences.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 October 2020 14:35 (three years ago) link

I read somewhere that neither Jim nor William can remember or work out who sang what on Psychocandy.

I dug out Almost Gold today for the first time in a while thanks to the thread bump and it's solid end to end but something about the baggy-by-numbers drums on a couple of songs puts it behind the first two albums for me.

here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Thursday, 1 October 2020 15:24 (three years ago) link

Honey's Dead, even

here we go, ten in a rona (onimo), Thursday, 1 October 2020 15:29 (three years ago) link


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