defend the indefensible: living in florida

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Dee, the international section of Epcot is one of the most depressing things that doesn't actually involve any obvious signs of sadness or death that you'll ever see.

You're kidding! I thought it was supposed to be a pretty neat thing to visit and see firsthand -- at least, that's one of the main reasons why I'd want to visit WDW. (I couldn't care less about Disney characters, really.)

I don't understand the Clearwater love expressed here, its a shithole.

Huh. I suppose maybe more of my friend's insistence that she MUST move from Tampa to Clearwater is due to her boyfriend's presence there than I'd suspected or thought.

And... florida.person? Yeah, I live in TEXAS. Granted, it's near the Hill Country and thus my part of TX is sorta hilly, but I do know what flatness is supposed to be about, and so flatness isn't going to kill me.

Accept No Substitutes (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 29 October 2004 01:40 (nineteen years ago) link

oh i love the epcot "world showcase". i mean, for the kitsch value. does anyone who visits thinks that the pavillions are accurate representations?

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 29 October 2004 01:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I about had a nervous breakdown there once. The tourists taking flash-photography of the laser illumiNATIONS helped me get out of it.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:30 (nineteen years ago) link

STAY OUT DA BUSHES

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:44 (nineteen years ago) link

and it's TOO DAMN HOT

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 29 October 2004 02:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Palmetto bugs rule.

briania (briania), Friday, 29 October 2004 03:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Sea World is nice.

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:13 (nineteen years ago) link

SHAMU

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:14 (nineteen years ago) link

when i was, like, 9, my parents took us to florida for vacation. we went to disney world and sea world. but i had a tantrum at sea world, and b/w that and the fucking heat my dad got so pissed off that we returned a week early!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:15 (nineteen years ago) link

THAT'S TOTALLY CRAP BURGERS FUCK YR DAD

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:16 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't even remember why i threw a tantrum. i do remember my mom screaming at me, "I'M GONNA PUT YOU IN A SPECIAL ED CLASS IF YOU DON'T BEHAVE" ... or something. and we didn't go to busch gardens in tampa, either!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude. My parents never threatened me like THAT, whoa.

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:20 (nineteen years ago) link

i also remember that we ended up getting lost in georgia ... on a sunday morning ... w/ nothing but bible-bangers and pablo cruise on the radio. my parents took a wrong turn off I-95 (which was under construction at the time, i think?).

i don't think i'd ever seen my parents THAT SCARED in my life. i guess that dad had seen deliverance or something.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:26 (nineteen years ago) link

My family breifly had a condo outside of Tampa. It was going to be where my parents retired to. They quickly found out that they didn't like Florida at all -- the weather was unbearable except in the dead of winter, it was insanely difficult to find a restaurant that wasn't a chain, the insects were terrorizing, and there just didn't seem to be anything to do except wait for the next hurricane, or for death.

The thing which finally made them that Florida was not for them: We were driving down, and we drove through a small town in Northern Florida, and along the Main Street there was a big ol' KKK demonstration. They were standing on the street corners with signs, waving at the passers-by. My stepfather had to quickly talk my mother out of driving directly into the demonstrators.

When we got back home, they put the condo up for sale.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 29 October 2004 08:17 (nineteen years ago) link

oh god florida is teh worst

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 29 October 2004 08:42 (nineteen years ago) link

The Everglades = classic.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 29 October 2004 12:58 (nineteen years ago) link

so far rosemary has posted the only convincing defense.

motown modown (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 29 October 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

florida rules, i'd live there in a heartbeat

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 29 October 2004 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Palmetto bugs rule.

Palmetto bugs = euphemism for 3" flying cockroaches

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

My mom has two condos in Fort Meyers Beach. I have a soft spot for Sanibel and Captiva islands.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I wonder how many families have been broken up for good after visits to the Orlando area. I know mine did.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I went to Gainesville in July of 2000. It seemed hot. And yeah, flying cockroaches.

battlin' green eyeshades (Homosexual II), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

and some of the most grotesque murders ever (a friend was 11 when these happened and she said it widespread panic and terror.)

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Clearwater has basically been taken over by Scientologist Sea Org people.

big chaki (chaki), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

"My family breifly had a condo outside of Tampa. It was going to be where my parents retired to. They quickly found out that they didn't like Florida at all -- the weather was unbearable except in the dead of winter, it was insanely difficult to find a restaurant that wasn't a chain, the insects were terrorizing, and there just didn't seem to be anything to do except wait for the next hurricane, or for death.

The thing which finally made them that Florida was not for them: We were driving down, and we drove through a small town in Northern Florida, and along the Main Street there was a big ol' KKK demonstration. They were standing on the street corners with signs, waving at the passers-by. My stepfather had to quickly talk my mother out of driving directly into the demonstrators.

When we got back home, they put the condo up for sale. "

I don't know how far from Tampa "outside of Tampa" is, but this is mostly bullshit. Yeah Florida is horrible in the summer but winters are horrible up north, and your parents should have realized this before they moved here. There are dozens of excellent nonchain restaurants in Tampa - just drive a little bit up North Armenia and you'll pass at least 20. If insects are a problem screen in your porch/balcony. And as for the old "nothing to do", please - they probably put as much effort into finding "things to do" as they did finding good restaurants. Rural Florida is The South, true, which is why I live in the city.

All the anti-Florida stuff in this thread was just lame. For being supposedly smart hipsters, I'd expect more than some alligator jokes.

florida.person, Friday, 29 October 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

It was, as I recall, about 20 miles north of Tampa. It is hard, even with warning, to be adequately prepared for how miserable Florida is in the summer. I'd take a year-round New York City winter over a week of Florida summer weather. I'm sure there are some perfectly adequate restaurants in Tampa (and I'm suspect there are more now than there were in the late 80s, when this took place). But in the majority of Florida, it was nothing but chain restaurants, many of them buffets. (Florida buffets do not compare favorably to Nevada or even New Jersey buffets.) Our balcony was adequately screened, but it is still nice to walk to the car every once in a great while without being attacked by insects, and in your more humane climates this is possible.

I guess we could have found more things to do. We could have gone to the Dali museum again, or perhaps drive an hour for some dinner theater. At least the lack of interesting things to do, the stiflingly hot weather, and the swarms of insects meant we got to spend some "quality time" together inside our condo.

Oh, also, all the beaches we tried along the Gulf were the pits.

But this is about defending the indefensible, so: Weeki Wachee is fantastic. Although last I heard, it was in danger of being shut down. And there were these egrets who lived in the parking spaces next to ours -- there were three of them, and they were there every time we visited, always in that same parking spot, and they were the greatest thing about the only state in the union that I have no interest in setting foot in ever again.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 29 October 2004 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, also, Key limes are totally overrated.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 29 October 2004 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, you were the first person to mention alligators in this thread. Alligators I feel neutral about.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 29 October 2004 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link

(Oops, sorry, I take that back about the alligators.)

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 29 October 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm really fond of alligators. The last apartment complex I lived in had about a 2' gator in the ornamental pond in the middle - I named him Entropy. My parents now live on a man-made lake in Lutz, where they have about a 3' gator. Gators aren't usually a problem unless you pester them, swim with them, or walk dogs next to them.

Actually, the thing I miss most about Florida (other than my parents) is the lizards, snakes and turtles you could see nearly any time. You'd walk by a bush next to the house, and there'd be this great rustling sound of dozens of lizards scurrying for cover!

My parents never had air conditioning the whole time I was growing up. The best we could afford was a large FAN. Today I absolutely cringe at the thought but back then I was fine! Of course, in Seattle I now wear t-shirts in 50-degree weather, when in Florida that temperature would have seen me in MULTIPLE sweaters.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:29 (nineteen years ago) link

You'd walk by a bush next to the house, and there'd be this great rustling sound of dozens of lizards scurrying for cover!

for a minute there, i thought that you were referring to FL's governor and his extended family!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:33 (nineteen years ago) link

No, 'cause I ***LIKE*** the lizards!!! That lot got elected AFTER I LEFT.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.dragonsfire.com/photos/june2001/florida/gatorland.jpg

where i learned that alligator tastes like chicken

Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:37 (nineteen years ago) link

florida's great if you're running from the law. same with alaska.

\(^o^)/ (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 30 October 2004 01:42 (nineteen years ago) link

My brother moved to Florida (Bradenton) and we are supposed to be going to visit him next year. You all, by and large, aren't making it sound like an appealing trip :)

(xpost with Vicky's lovely photos)

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 30 October 2004 11:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I wish my sister and brother in law had moved to Florida, instead of dallas! (no offense to any texans meant)

Vicky (Vicky), Saturday, 30 October 2004 12:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Neil would have rathered that my brother and sister-in-law had moved to Dallas so he could do his Southfork pilgrimage. Vicky, do you want to swap families?

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 30 October 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I would do but it's too late, we;ve booked our tickets for April!

Vicky (Vicky), Saturday, 30 October 2004 12:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Palmetto bugs rule.
Palmetto bugs = euphemism for 3" flying cockroaches

-- Layna Andersen (layn...), October 29th, 2004.

we have these in South Carolina too!

i went to a friend's house once, and he came out of his garage with one on his shoulder. for a second i thought he had one as a pet! i asked him about it and he saw it and was like, "gah!"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"for a second i thought he had one as a pet!"

to clarify, for a second i thought it was one of those huge hissing cockroaches they sell at exotic pet stores.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

one of my most vivid memories of the brief time i lived in new orleans was coming home to find one of my walls covered in palmettos (ok not "covered," but there were at least a dozen). it was... kind of gross.

motown modown (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 30 October 2004 13:48 (nineteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
i spent the weekend in florida. (not the part that was getting dennised.) it is an appalling place, even if you set aside the whole jimmy buffett thing.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 11 July 2005 22:28 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I moved there in 1983/1984 thinking it was going to be paradise. It was redneck riviera to say the least. But having moved away over 3 years ago, I do miss a couple aspects...I think of them as oasises'ses.

Season Tix to Diseny = cheap getaway to a land that is well designed and serves real alcohol. Epcot especially. Like an 82 world's fair that never went away...although they're slowly destroying it.

St. John's county beaches are pristine and barely discovered. 60's oldies radio sounds so good in that setting.

Classic 80's Miami Bass, of course.

Listening to my beloved Brazilian pop/jazz makes more sense driving down A1A than it does sitting in my shoebox apartment here in NYC.

And needless to say, in 20 years, I made a number of really smart really good friends, but it's pulling teeth to find those people.

Destroy the rest, which is an assload.

Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Monday, 24 July 2006 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm going to Sarasota on Wednesday, flying for the first time with two children. Florida can be fun if you put on your bemused anthropologist hat. I'm going for the same reason I suppose many people go - to visit my grandma. I am going to try to pack lightly, but pack for ice-cold air conditioning, thunderstorms/rain, unbearable heat and two small children who get food all over themselves. I kind of like going to the Ringling Museum of Art. My grandma has a pool. She's nearly 90. Mostly she'll just watch my kids being cute on her plush carpet.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 01:22 (seventeen years ago) link

there are 2 universities in florida with programs in underwater archaeology. that's twice as many as in any other state, unless you count rhode island (one school with an actual program, one school with a couple courses).

Maria (Maria), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link

how did that creepy planned community work out? Celebration or some such?

timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 02:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd take Florida over New York. Chicago. And anyone who wouldn't take Florida over Texas is a goddamn moron. Texas is teh suck. Only place in the US I'd take over Florida is Hawaii. But my bias is clear-- give me palm trees and sandy beaches in a place that isn't California and I'm there.

trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 25 July 2006 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link

my grandparents had a house on sanibel when i was little. it was lovely there. the only time i've ever been to florida. i was really little. don't remember a lot.


http://www.visitflorida.com/images/cms/1104189003.4192_lowres_lg.jpg

scott seward, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link

http://photo.net/photo/pcd4333/sanibel-sunset-2.4.jpg

scott seward, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

great wildlife. what's left anyway.


http://goflorida.about.com/library/graphics/panther.jpg

scott seward, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

http://florida.sierraclub.org/miami/black.jpg

scott seward, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link

http://z.about.com/d/goflorida/1/0/o/8/flamingo.jpg

scott seward, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/01/21/images/home-manatee.jpg

scott seward, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link

http://glades.sfwmd.gov/empact/home/02_everglades/photo12lg.jpg

scott seward, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link

If you like Will Smith, I believe you are forced to hang out with him while in Miami or Orlando. Whether this is a defense depends on one's feelings regarding Will Smith.

Abbott, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

My grandparents had a house on Sanibel too which is why I was there as well. We lived in Key West then so we would would visit them often and I have really found memories of how gorgeous Sanibel is. Those pictures are great. Also awsome was the The Bubble Room which I would insist on going to every time we visited.

ENBB, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

it's a good place to live if you like to fish


http://www.forumpictureprocessor.com/pictureprocessor/images/big%20red%20fish%20florida.jpg

scott seward, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:32 (seventeen years ago) link

actually so is where i live - a good place to fish - but i don't fish.

scott seward, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Like most places it's not as bad as it seems -- only worse.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link

i could never live there. i'm not big on heat. it's too hot where i live on the east coast! i can't imagine living somewhere hotter.

scott seward, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I haven't lived in many other cities, but judging from my travels the comments made upthread are true. The distances, traffic, ubiquity of Starbucks and strip malls -- all fairly appalling.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link

3--cuban coffee: the 'espresso' shots i had even from supposedly decent coffee places was atrocious, then i finally remembered the best coffee is always just a cafe con leche for a buck or two at any hole in the wall sandwich shop

The only problem is the Cuban restaurants are lousy. Next time you're down come to my mom's -- or, better, my abuela's.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link

The beach is overrated too. Actually, the only place that's not overrated is Disney World. I wish Tallahassee would just submit to the Dark Side and allow Disney to buy the state; at least they know how to run things.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Just read some of the earlier posts regarding fire ants. When I was about two years old and we were living there, I woke my parent up one morning screaming at the top of my lungs. It turned out that I'd been bitten on the face by fire ants during the night and my EYES HAD SWOLLEN SHUT! They had to rush me to the hospital where I got some kind of injection to take down the swelling. I'm very glad I don't actually remember that experience becase it must have been horrible.

ENBB, Sunday, 1 April 2007 21:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, fire ants suck.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Have grown up in Florida, it's hard for me to imagine everyone not experiencing fire ants.

Are "roly poly bugs" not common outside of FL too? Lovebugs?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

florida is straight up fucked huh? nytimes cover article today + nyer article last week made the state seem pretty much screwed for a long while.

max, Monday, 9 February 2009 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link

sorry--not today--yesterday

max, Monday, 9 February 2009 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link

what happan

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Monday, 9 February 2009 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link

I saw a picture of 1000 people lining up to fill in 35 job positions to be a firefighter in Miami on an NYT from last week. oy.

System Jr. (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 9 February 2009 17:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Those who would sacrifice culture for weather deserve neither.

autosocratic asphyxiation (Hurting 2), Monday, 9 February 2009 18:51 (fifteen years ago) link

three years pass...
one year passes...

Yeah, Florida will never run out of invasive species to hunt.

love is how's life tonight (how's life), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link

usually they're called the sick and elderly.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 July 2014 17:07 (nine years ago) link

six years pass...

Good news for Floridians: significantly less toilet iguanas in your future
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/22/toilet-invading-iguanas-invasive-species-banned-florida

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 23 March 2021 13:15 (three years ago) link


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