Is there anyone here who genuinely dislikes or hates The Beatles as a musical entity?

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the lex seems to be a hipster type, who likes 'urban music' when it makes him/her shake his/her ass. anything seen as being too serious or worthy urban music wise gets the dilznick. it must be fluffy, silly, and fun at all costs.

― tigertiger (tigertiger), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:07 (seventeen years ago) link

What, The Beatles never wrote trite lyrics? (xpost)

Obviously they did sometimes, but Lex is doing that Blind-man-and-the-elephant bit, and assuming The Beatles are a piece of rope cos he's only touched their tail.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:09 (seventeen years ago) link

not that anyone gives a shit, but this was stupid to say wasnt it:
"but although i listen to a fair amount of rock, i still hate it as a genre."
its more the fans i hate.

― tigertiger (tigertiger), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I do like them, but I've heard their music so much I don't really near to hear it again for the next 20 years. The idea of going to one of Paul's greatest hits events is torture.

They interest me more as a historical and sociological phenomenon these days.

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:11 (seventeen years ago) link

hipsters don't like pussycat dolls! i wish they did. and aretha's rigby is certainly not one of her own best moments, but it's ridiculously better than the original, which says it all right there.

if you touch an elephant's tail and it shits on you, you're not going to want to touch the rest of it.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Lex is the most small-minded man on ILM, isn't he? Even moreso than Geir.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:13 (seventeen years ago) link

the small-minded ones are the ones who snark at paris hilton ie ALL THE REST OF YOU

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Obviously they did sometimes, but Lex is doing that Blind-man-and-the-elephant bit, and assuming The Beatles are a piece of rope cos he's only touched their tail.

Perhaps, but I doubt time spent reading their collected lyrics word for word would change his view any

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:15 (seventeen years ago) link

not as small minded as tim finney but yes, very close.

anyone who thinks stars is blind is shit gets the bozack.

― tigertiger (tigertiger), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:15 (seventeen years ago) link

"All You Need Is Love"!

― M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I used to know a guy named Scott Bozack.

― Public Radio (public_radio), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Lock thread

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Paris Hilton? Pussycat Dolls? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and guess that you are kidding. If not, that level of uber-irony is not very becoming. Either that, or you genuinely like this stiff. And that is an even more frightening thought.

(As for The Beatles...they were important for the progression of pop music...the same kind of pop crap that The Lex is citing as his current favorites. That, my friends, is not a legacy a band would want. The Beatles were decent enough in their time, but you'd have to hold a gun to my head to get me to listen to them now.)

― Rye (ryeosborne), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:23 (seventeen years ago) link

First post?

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Either that, or you genuinely like this stiff

Mistype of the day

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha. Woops. Stuff/stiff. Same difference. Right? Riiight? RIGHT?

(And no, not my first post. I just don't troll the boards Mencap.)

― Rye (ryeosborne), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Man, remember the '77 Paris Hilton/Nick Lowe/Wreckless Eric tour? That was a crazy time, wasn't it?

― Pessimist (Pessimist), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:31 (seventeen years ago) link

i do like a couple of songs but everything else...ugh. i hate their voices, i hate the clunkiness of the sound, i hate the trite lyrics, i hate the drunken-pub-singalong melodies, i hate hate hate.

You are talking about Oasis.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:33 (seventeen years ago) link

"No, this isn't just Lexbait.

-- Dom Passantino (juror...), July 24th, 2006."

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:35 (seventeen years ago) link

You are talking about Oasis.

i'm talking about oasis as well! as has been well documented elsewhere, i think oasis are the worst band to ever exist, this is in large part due to the fact that they copied the beatles so well.

paris hilton and the pussycat dolls make greater songs than all your favourite bands you LOSERS!

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I hate The Beatles because I hate everything prior to punk except for The Velvet Underground and anyone who was black fnarr fnarr fnarr fnarr fnarr...

― Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i really like the velvet underground too!

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Nico ruined the Plastic Ono Band.

― Public Radio (public_radio), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Lex is trolling again... http://www.solnet.cz/manual/webis_2005_4_1/img/icon_emoticon_rolleyes.png

― Domenico Buttez (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Oasis don't actually sound ANYTHING like The Beatles though. Ever.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:54 (seventeen years ago) link

That's true

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 11 August 2006 12:55 (seventeen years ago) link

They do sometimes sound like people who were trying to sound like the Beatles, though.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 August 2006 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

i genuinely dislike the pussycat dolls as a musical entity.

― Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Friday, 11 August 2006 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't even really get that. The intro to Don't Look Back In Anger nicks from Imagine, and She's Electric has that Ringo-song vibe, but apart from that I can't think of a single instance where you could say "Yeah, that's a Beatles rip / homage".

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 11 August 2006 13:05 (seventeen years ago) link

What is All Around The World trying to sound like then?

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 August 2006 13:07 (seventeen years ago) link

i genuinely dislike the pussycat dolls as a musical entity.

tbh the only pussycat dolls song i like is 'buttonz', but i LUV LUV LUV it. (nb i have not heard the PCD album)

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 11 August 2006 13:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I realise my first post was ambiguous - I mean Oasis sound like they're borrowing from prior Beatle-esque bands, not that Oasis sound like they're trying and failing to borrow from the Bs.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 August 2006 13:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, pretty much. Early seventies sound is what they were always after.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 August 2006 13:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyway, I do like the Beatles, but I don't think disliking them need be some outlandish thing or a big posture.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 11 August 2006 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Eh. I used to hate the Beatles kinda reflexively, after having so many people try to shove them down my throat. I still hate Sgt. Pepper's and a handful of other stuff that I think is crap, but in general it's a "It's not the band I hate, it's their fans" moment. And after listening to Magical Mystery Tour, I admit that I enjoyed a lot of it.
But nearly all of the things that Lex lists above (clunky, trite, nasal, music hall) are things that I still hate about the Beatles. I've just come to realize that they have a lot more stuff beyond that, though the chances of me ever really exploring further are pretty slim.

― js (honestengine), Friday, 11 August 2006 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the Beatles but I don't like the vast majority of other 60's music. It really, really wasn't the golden era some crack it up to be. Sure, the odd Barrett-era Floyd here or the odd Robert Z/Brian Wilson there but apart from the stuff EVERYONE names immediately I can't think of much that's really flipped my lid.

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 11 August 2006 13:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Louis needs Love, Hendrix and Nuggets in his life.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

What is All Around The World trying to sound like then?
-- Tom (freakytrigge...), August 11th, 2006 3:07 PM. (Groke)

Sclub7 - Pure and Simple

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

"i think oasis are the worst band to ever exist, this is in large part due to the fact that they copied The [easiest, most predictable and most conventional and acceptable to Phil Collins fans bits, which are maybe 25% of their contributions to music] Beatles so well"

fixed. kinda.

Lex this is like taking Joni Mitchell to be a tree-hugging hippy AND NOTHING MORE because of "Big Yellow Taxi" or Kate Bush as a novelty singer because of Wuthering Heights, The Beach Boys as a 100% SURF DUDES... or New Order as a FOOTBALL BAND.

xpost - and Dusty Springfield.

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Your lid's stuck! (xpost to Louis)

― Danny Aioli (Rock Hardy), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I got poxy fuled but I wrote a long bit about the only thing Oasis really taking their queues from Beatles-wise was the wretched "Nananana's" of "Hey Jude". Oasis never wrote a "Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite!" or a "Day In The Life" or anything close to Revolver, Magical Mystery Tour or anything the Beatles ever did. It's a fallacy created by the national press circa 1996.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Louis, buy the first four Spirit albums, seriously.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:06 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post

Isn't that partly what 'beetlebum' was about?

― Pete W (peterw), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Blur were closer to the Beatles stylistically than Oasis, bt no one ever says that. Parklife is very similar to, say Sgt Peppers than Definitely Maybe.

― wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

"Hey Jude" na-na-nas: C/D

classic

― Euler (Euler), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Nick, hey, I really, really like Forever Changes and Electric Ladyland, but it didn't immediately occur to me to stick 'em in. Obviously I like more than 3 60's artists, but I'm just saying that there's a lot of junk there too, and perhaps less gold than in other eras. Didn't you see Hendrix and Love on my 60's list?

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Blur were a lot closer to that whole "Boyband +" steez that saw what most pop critics would term the Beatles "golden years", they were more... presentable?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Blur had a zest for experimentation, however, that associates their music much more closely with that of late-period Beatles, much more so in fact than Oasis, whose 'experimental' urges extended to the odd radio static interlude.

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Was the 60's the last time pop and rock really had equal critical, commercial and artistic status?

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:39 (seventeen years ago) link

2002

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 11 August 2006 14:40 (seventeen years ago) link

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The issue of "catchy" tunes aside, I don't see how anyone can defend McCartney's profoundly idiotic lyrics with a straight face

Don't listen to much music, do you?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 12 August 2006 01:34 (seventeen years ago) link

"Hey Jude" would have been way better as a 3 minute song with those na-na-nas edited away though

"Hey Jude" na-na-nas: C/D

classic

Pop radio hadn't played anything that I can think of like the ad infinitum na-na-nas prior to this release. I think the na na nas are the best part of the song. And haven't we all, at one time or another, wished a certain segment on a track would get this kind of treatment?

― jim wentworth (wench), Saturday, 12 August 2006 02:26 (seventeen years ago) link

...and that in itself is worthy of an OPO. Mine would be the very end of The Olivia Tremor Control's Hilltop Procession.

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Saturday, 12 August 2006 02:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I pick Björk - Isobel :)

― fandango (fandango), Saturday, 12 August 2006 02:47 (seventeen years ago) link

The issue of "catchy" tunes aside, I don't see how anyone can defend McCartney's profoundly idiotic lyrics with a straight face

Don't listen to much music, do you?

McCartney is pretty close to the bottom of the barrel. The only band I can think of right now with halfway-defensible tunes and worse lyrics is Interpol.

― Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Saturday, 12 August 2006 03:59 (seventeen years ago) link

"Hey Jude" exhibits a certain osmotic tongue pressure.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 12 August 2006 04:42 (seventeen years ago) link

McCartney is pretty close to the bottom of the barrel.

polls split 50/50. each side claims victory

― Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Saturday, 12 August 2006 05:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I think all of those things are on 'Happiness Is A Warm Gun' alone.

"Happiness Is A Warm Gun" is a terrible song. Like, really terrible.

I like the Beatles, though.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 12 August 2006 06:08 (seventeen years ago) link

that "no vietnam, no politics..." quote is the stupidest fucking thing ever! and you can cut the condescension in "secret dreams of young girls" with a knife.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 12 August 2006 07:46 (seventeen years ago) link

The issue of "catchy" tunes aside, I don't see how anyone can defend McCartney's profoundly idiotic lyrics with a straight face

To criticise McCartney for his lyrics totally misses the point...like focusing on the melody of a Dylan song. McCartney's a guy with a good sense of humor who's never taken lyrics very seriously. And because of this, he's a great lyricist. Some people just wanna fill the world with silly love songs.

― starke (starke), Saturday, 12 August 2006 09:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't care much about lyrics in general, but "Eleanor Rigby" was a great lyrics nevertheless.

Of course, the main point about McCartney is melody and harmony.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 12 August 2006 10:09 (seventeen years ago) link

"Diluting" argument would need specific examples to be of any potential resonance to me. "Drawing on" argument describes almost all pop/rock musicians.

You're right. It's just that most pop/rock musicians don't get the omgwtfcreativegeniuses status given to the Beatles.

― xavier (xave), Saturday, 12 August 2006 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link

mccartney was a fine lyricist in his prime. just off the top of my head: "i've just seen a face," "for no one," "when i'm sixty-four" (uh huh), "she's leaving home" and "penny lane" are all great. there's a clipped quality about the best of his stuff that i like, a restraint and understatedness that's unusual for the era. and "penny lane" probably holds up better as poetry than "strawberry fields" (i'd rate them about equal as records), though the 14-year-old lennon partisan inside me is shrieking with rage that i just typed that.

mccartney's 'sappiness' is also considerably overstated, at least during his good years - i suspect it has more to do with his public persona than anything he actually wrote. his 'love' songs (when not obvious showbiz pastiches) are almost always meaner and callower than people remember: "another girl," "i'm looking through you," "you won't see me."

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 12 August 2006 12:25 (seventeen years ago) link

IE up-thread about Oasis ripping off Beatles wanna-bes, Oasis would be so much better if they had stolen from the Raspberries.

― Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I like the fact the italian critic hates the Beatles from a Rockist perspective, that's a new one.

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link

No it isn't.

― Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Oasis would be so much better if they had stolen from the Raspberries.

Well, they couldn't've been worse.

― Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

OTM. You can't shine turds as my grannie used to say.

― Ice Cream Electric (Ice Cream Electric), Saturday, 12 August 2006 15:21 (seventeen years ago) link

The best songs Paul McCartney never wrote

― Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Saturday, 12 August 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I knew The Lex would be the very first person to respond to this thread.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 12 August 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link

The Beatles were the most consistently good pop/rock songwriters ever, and they had some of the highest peaks as well. Arguing about other stuff is beating around the bush.

P.S. I Love Them

― Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Saturday, 12 August 2006 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Just wanted to chim in and say I endorse this thread.

― astronautagogo (astronautagogo), Saturday, 12 August 2006 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Just wanted to chim in and say I endorse this thread.

Chim chimaree chim chim
I am a chimbley, a chimbley sweep

― Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Saturday, 12 August 2006 21:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude, Louis Jagger's taken your position. Let it go.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 12 August 2006 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Chim-chiminy chim-chiminy chim-chim cheroo,
Watch out Passantino, I'm coming for you!

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Saturday, 12 August 2006 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Dom the money

― Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Saturday, 12 August 2006 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link

What position? Left fullback? I thought this was a Beatles thread!

― Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Saturday, 12 August 2006 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.quibbles-n-bits.com/archives/images/ChimChim.jpg

― Ruud Haarvest (Ken L), Saturday, 12 August 2006 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I listened to them all the time as a kid. but i cant stand to anymore. This guy i work with has a beatles shrine in his livingroom and wears an abbey road jacket every fucking day. what a load.

― slick dickens (slickdickens), Sunday, 13 August 2006 04:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyone hassles the Beatles to me in person'll lose their teeth

― A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Sunday, 13 August 2006 05:05 (seventeen years ago) link

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