avant-garde anachronism in old paintings

my brain hates teh way that looks

he's been mentioned already, but: piranesi's carceri - cf. escher, ico:

http://im-possible.info/images/art/classic/piranesi/carceri-xiv.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Piranesi9c.jpg

(of course piranesi was an admitted influence on ico)

I forgot Gleyre from the Crary list.

http://artmight.com/albums/2010-09-11/1001-Orientalist-Art-Paintings/Charles-Gleyre/Charles-Gleyre-Egyptian-Temple.jpg

Marc-Charles-Gabriel Gleyre, Egyptian Temple, 1840, Oil on canvas, 14.17 x 19.29 inches [36 x 49 cm],Musee Cantonal des Beaux-Arts, Lausanne

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DtsajQefh2s/Rlme93QcrlI/AAAAAAAAEq8/e7G_WRFE4ag/s1600-h/Gleyre_Danse_Bacchantes.jpg
La danse des bacchantes, 1849, Huile sur toile - 147 x 243 cm, Lausanne, Musée cantonal des Beaux-Arts

And yo check this:

"Despite the sensuality of such works as La Danse des Bacchantes (above, from 1849), Gleyre was reportedly celibate his entire life. For him, the flesh painted on the canvas in mythological scenes always remained a myth, an unfelt abstraction. Gleyre earned a reputation for perfectionism that many of his students took away from his atelier. The way that Gleyre returned again and again to the same works can be seen, for example, in Monet’s obsessive series of water lilies, haystacks, cathedrals, etc., etc. Gleyre and Monet differ widely in style, but their commitment to depicting a personal vision is exactly the same."

Also: "Renoir loved Gleyre specifically for the free hand he gave to his students—allowing the young Impressionists to paint outdoors while he preferred working in the studio from memory."

From here

Grrrr.

http://www.latribunedelart.com/IMG/jpg/Gleyre_Danse_Bacchantes.jpg
Marc-Charles-Gabriel Gleyre, La danse des bacchantes, 1849, Huile sur toile - 147 x 243 cm, Lausanne, Musée cantonal des Beaux-Arts

Again, like with the realistic portraits, I don't see what's the "avant-garde anachronism" in that one? Looks pretty much of its time to me.

http://www.sauer-thompson.com/junkforcode/archives/2008/06/10/FriedrichCDmonkbythesea%2Cjpg.jpg
Caspar David Friedrich, Monk by the sea, 1809/10, oil on canvas

Tuomas I'm with you on that in regards to several of the things that have been posted ITT without explanation.

Wonder what Crary would make of Bouguereau (since we already know what Berger made of him):

http://www.sexualfables.com/images/Bouguereau-The-Nymphaeum.jpg

So much gorgeouness in this thread! Couldn't give a whole fig tree what the concept is, keep em coming.

i included those specific felix vallotton examples (the woodcuts now behind pagebreak) with latter-half 20th c. graphic novels & comics in mind.
i found it uncanny that by inherent stringencies in their production that they should take on that weird, relaxed 'fluid realist' style of inking beyond the 1950's mode of production in comix draughtmanship. something about seeing their monochrome rendered on a monitor makes them look totally natural being seen for the first time on like, a computer.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rC2EkOOmAX8/RsdrkfQBuII/AAAAAAAAAns/Q4GpmTdz3DY/s320/vallotton_le_violon.jpg
http://giam.typepad.com/100_years_of_illustration/images/vef_edgar.gif

that last friedrich is wonderful

does matthias grunewald fit this thread?
http://commandopera.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Temptation-of-St-Anthony-Matthias-Grunewald.jpg

ha, that's rather less sober than the grunewald i can remember

disappointed that he ended up illustrating mid 20th c english children's books ;_;

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSt-MlNExO1rWIP5p-gZ_qoMvzXCTOdk4stxZUqpGAhMBubpd9KhQ

for so many reasons, not least the friedrich & the font, this is my most treasured paperback.

well yeah, lol, most of the grunewald i've seen weren't all beastly orgies of violence, but the isenheim alter, for example, has always struck me as very surreal and out of scale and just strange to look at, and there are some drawings of his which i'm struggling to find that i think fit this thread quite well, too.

Pieter Bruegel the Elder - The Fall of the Rebel Angels (1562):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Pieter_Bruegel_I-Fall_of_rebel_Angels_IMG_1444.JPG

big version

not saying it ~prefigures~ but i instantanteously thought of kandinsky

i've had breughel in mind today w/ all the snow

flying puffer fish is a bit outré

Robert Lazzarini's sculpture of the anamorphic skull

If you think that's whoa, you need to see his payphone:

http://www.dcist.com/attachments/dcist_charles/2007_0216_payphone.jpg

way more impressive in person, btw

That Breughel looks like a Bosch painting giving an Archimbolo a good kicking.

Arcimboldo rather.

omg those sculptures are making me nauseated

so nauseous that you said nauseated by mistake

it's true tho

what is the effect irl?

i made no mistake, sir.

http://darcyarts.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/crazyjanesmall.jpg

^ this Richard Dadd from 1885 looks a lot more modern than that yeah?

was he the psychotic dude

fucking bastard dns servers not resolving so i cannae see it

/smashes router w/ whisky bottle

now i c

it's very '~edgy~ observer magazine fashion editor reads up on henry darger'

Yeah, he was the guy who took his dad apart with a potato peeler or something. The style of that picture there ('Crazy Jane') looks like it belongs on the cover of some 80s paperback, but the subject has basically invented Adam Ant 100 years beforehand.

so nauseous that you said nauseated by mistake

― Ectothiorhodospira shaposhnikovii (nakhchivan), Thursday, December 2, 2010 7:06 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

*shakes head*

the crakhs are showing, first DJP now max

I'm actually in my second ever art history class right now (hooray for working at a university) and I love this thread.

I realize how little i know about the history of art but i love when something jumps out for me and feels very different and more appealing to my modern sensibilities and biases, instead of feeling like yet another portrait or religious work. Not that there's anything wrong with those, and I love hearing the weird secrets and references and history surrounding them. But on a strictly visual and composition basis they don't excite me as much.

Friedrich's Monk By The Sea really felt different for me, as did his Abbey in the Oakwood which is also pretty \m/:
http://towerweb.net/alt-lib/art/friedrich/oakwoodabbey2.jpg

I also really love Degas' At the Races in the Countryside:
http://www.topofart.com/images/artists/Hilaire_Germain_Edgar_Degas/paintings/degas022.jpg

Yeah, he was the guy who took his dad apart with a potato peeler or something. The style of that picture there ('Crazy Jane') looks like it belongs on the cover of some 80s paperback, but the subject has basically invented Adam Ant 100 years beforehand.

Incidentally, that painting inspired Grant Morrison to create the superhero called Crazy Jane in Doom Patrol in 1989.

*shakes head*

― max, Friday, 3 December 2010 03:16 (6 hours ago)

imo u gotta use nauseous in that instance cuz (although ~literally~ correct) nauseated usually nows means something else

maybe in nakhchivan but this is an english speaking board

those sculptures (or pics thereof...i dunno how it works irl) do kinda induce nausea.....whereas ppl usually say 'nauseated' to describe non-physical sensations that they wanna amplify by invoking physical nausea....but my thoughts only, pls let's not ruin the ~crazy weird old pictures~ w/ further cavilling

so would you say nausea makes you feel nauseous or nauseates you

'pls let's not ruin the ~crazy weird old pictures~ w/ further cavilling' is to cavilling as 'don't think about eggs' is to thinking about eggs

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/D%C3%BCrer_Melancholia_I.jpg

durer

nakhchivan how am I meant 2 adulate yr harried new posting persona, fuck it I'm going back 2 bed

pls not to adulate me

in general adulation does u no good

it's no adulteration

dude that was self-checking deprecation, yr truths they are already manifest

zz

i'll consider incorporating 'going to bed at 10am' into noel's post-traumatic persona (my first fiction since key stage 3 english iirc)

http://www.lib-art.com/imgpainting/2/6/11362-atropos-the-fates-francisco-de-goya-y-lucientes.jpg

anyway that last aside (apols to gbx) got me thinking baout early (say pre nineteenth century) depictions of.......nausea, melancholy etc.....archetypal modern(ist) tropes