avant-garde anachronism in old paintings

the crakhs are showing, first DJP now max

I'm actually in my second ever art history class right now (hooray for working at a university) and I love this thread.

I realize how little i know about the history of art but i love when something jumps out for me and feels very different and more appealing to my modern sensibilities and biases, instead of feeling like yet another portrait or religious work. Not that there's anything wrong with those, and I love hearing the weird secrets and references and history surrounding them. But on a strictly visual and composition basis they don't excite me as much.

Friedrich's Monk By The Sea really felt different for me, as did his Abbey in the Oakwood which is also pretty \m/:
http://towerweb.net/alt-lib/art/friedrich/oakwoodabbey2.jpg

I also really love Degas' At the Races in the Countryside:
http://www.topofart.com/images/artists/Hilaire_Germain_Edgar_Degas/paintings/degas022.jpg

Yeah, he was the guy who took his dad apart with a potato peeler or something. The style of that picture there ('Crazy Jane') looks like it belongs on the cover of some 80s paperback, but the subject has basically invented Adam Ant 100 years beforehand.

Incidentally, that painting inspired Grant Morrison to create the superhero called Crazy Jane in Doom Patrol in 1989.

*shakes head*

― max, Friday, 3 December 2010 03:16 (6 hours ago)

imo u gotta use nauseous in that instance cuz (although ~literally~ correct) nauseated usually nows means something else

maybe in nakhchivan but this is an english speaking board

those sculptures (or pics thereof...i dunno how it works irl) do kinda induce nausea.....whereas ppl usually say 'nauseated' to describe non-physical sensations that they wanna amplify by invoking physical nausea....but my thoughts only, pls let's not ruin the ~crazy weird old pictures~ w/ further cavilling

so would you say nausea makes you feel nauseous or nauseates you

'pls let's not ruin the ~crazy weird old pictures~ w/ further cavilling' is to cavilling as 'don't think about eggs' is to thinking about eggs

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/D%C3%BCrer_Melancholia_I.jpg

durer

nakhchivan how am I meant 2 adulate yr harried new posting persona, fuck it I'm going back 2 bed

pls not to adulate me

in general adulation does u no good

it's no adulteration

dude that was self-checking deprecation, yr truths they are already manifest

zz

i'll consider incorporating 'going to bed at 10am' into noel's post-traumatic persona (my first fiction since key stage 3 english iirc)

http://www.lib-art.com/imgpainting/2/6/11362-atropos-the-fates-francisco-de-goya-y-lucientes.jpg

anyway that last aside (apols to gbx) got me thinking baout early (say pre nineteenth century) depictions of.......nausea, melancholy etc.....archetypal modern(ist) tropes

http://redtreetimes.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/henri_rousseau_-_a_carnival_evening.jpg

http://www.mailartworld.com/wp-content/uploads/Toulouse%20Lautrec_2.jpg
i always thought this felt like a contemporary painting, although maybe it's a painting that will fit in more 50-100 years from now because of how objective it is toward matters of sex.

that rousseau looks like a modern painting trying to seem old

http://arttattler.com/Images/NorthAmerica/NewYork/Morgan%20Library/William%20Blake/17_Blake.jpg

http://www.lookpdf.com/images/thumbnail/102-islamic-art-and-geometric-design.gif

this thread makes me feel like Tuomas

those sculptures (or pics thereof...i dunno how it works irl) do kinda induce nausea.....whereas ppl usually say 'nauseated' to describe non-physical sensations that they wanna amplify by invoking physical nausea....but my thoughts only, pls let's not ruin the ~crazy weird old pictures~ w/ further cavilling

― Ectothiorhodospira shaposhnikovii (nakhchivan), Friday, December 3, 2010 4:52 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

*shakes head*

brb scanning bosch pieces for a figure jumping a shark.

omg @ the blake

OK: let's settle the nauseous/nauseated matter:

nauseous
Causing nausea; sickening

nauseated
To be feeling, or having been caused to feel nausea.
http://phrogz.net/nauseous

Purists will argue that "nauseous" should not be used to mean "feeling nausea," but I don't see how you can argue against gbx' use of "nauseated."

the thing that produces nausea is NAUSEOUS
when you have a sensation of nausea you are NAUSEATED

you're welcome

i remember seeing that phonebooth years ago.. it is aweseous

http://www.backtoclassics.com/images/pics/franciscogoya/franciscogoya_the_sleep_of_reason_produces_monsters.jpg

Cover connection with the Blake.

http://pixhost.info/avaxhome/83/3a/00103a83_medium.jpeg

idk, can we do knorpelgroteske?

http://img.blogster.com/view/akermariano/post-uploads/keller.jpg

Shortlived but kinda fascinating.

Can I quote myself from something which I haven't actually finished yet?

...together forming a sort of musical knorpelgroteske, the 17th century Germanic artform where ornamental foliage intertwines and melts into half-seen faces of animals, monstrously distorted or assimilated into the vegetative surroundings, so that the viewer can never be quite sure what exactly is being portrayed, other than getting an impression of the primal fear, of man, peering into the darkened forest.

Can I can I? clearly i can, entitled m'f'er.

idk, can we do knorpelgroteske?

Shortlived but kinda fascinating.

Can I quote myself from something which I haven't actually finished yet?

...together forming a sort of musical knorpelgroteske, the 17th century Germanic artform where ornamental foliage intertwines and melts into half-seen faces of animals, monstrously distorted or assimilated into the vegetative surroundings, so that the viewer can never be quite sure what exactly is being portrayed, other than getting an impression of the primal fear, of man, peering into the darkened forest.
― Herr Kapitan Pugvosh (GamalielRatsey), Friday, December 3, 2010 2:06 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

That's crazy... hadn't heard of this before

Uhh, this, I guess.

http://www.oceansbridge.com/paintings/artists/special/ringkxj.jpg

that is an utterly bizarre painting!

I am more up on my cartoons. In that vein, I think my 18th century bro James Gillray deserves some kind of nod. I always thought of him as like some 18th c proto-Basil Woolverton. Obv he has his own thing going on too.

http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/exhibitions/gothicnightmares/images/works/unpetitsouper_large.jpg
http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/exhibitions/gothicnightmares/images/works/politicaldreaming_large.jpg
http://cdn.wn.com/pd/c4/c6/4d1ae73cb21bcbd1db99444538ea_grande.jpg
^"The Gout"

I like this Richard Newton drawing too, also late 18th c

http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/exhibitions/gothicnightmares/images/works/layingghost_large.jpg

it reminds me kind of the Katzenjammer Kids

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_S2X__U-SA4w/SQcXaV77oEI/AAAAAAAAAhU/B-NJ069rRd8/s400/Katzenjammer1901.jpg

wait sorry it says "paintings" in thread title

I'll save these for somewhere else.

On the madonna and breast tip (he he).

http://www.fisheaters.com/images/marialactans-miraculouslactationofstbernard.jpg

I saw this in Spain and was actually shocked/amused. It still seems weird.

http://www.oceansbridge.com/paintings/artists/special/ringkxj.jpg

Who is this by? It's pretty bizarre.

Looks like the girl from die antwoord tbh

Xpost: Jean Fouquet, and that Painting is apparently C. 1450

I don't know anything beyond that.

The Fouquet has some intense saturation going on. Wiki: It also happens to be a portrait of Charles VII's mistress Agnès Sorel.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/AgnesSorel11.jpeg

wait sorry it says "paintings" in thread title

I'll save these for somewhere else.

― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Saturday, 4 December 2010 06:05 (12 hours ago)

nah there's loads of lithographs etc too

post what you like

have read about knorpelgroske elsewhere but cannae remember

some nice additions itt

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcaj0aiOwx1qd3bkvo1_500.jpg

Nicolas de Largilliè (1656-1746) Study of Hands

http://madamepickwickartblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/giotto7.jpg

http://photos.travellerspoint.com/165200/Gargoyle.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Ducreux1.jpg

lol u cunt

that's fantastic.

well played