A thread for the Cure reissues

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thanks baaderoni :)

ronny longjohns (ronny longjohns), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, the giddy pleasure of recognizing the foundations of Let's Go to Bed, under layers of Porn guitars, on the last track of the 2nd disc...

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I like how the booklets show the Transformation Of The Look over those years...the lipstick appears...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link

See, not all that many of the Disc 2 tracks jump out at me and say "you must listen to me immediately or your full understanding of your favourite band EVAH will be damaged..."

If I were to buy one of the three albums first, I'd go for Seventeen Seconds simply because it's, umm, my favourite Cure album; but the extras don't look all that. Details please, and a compare-and-contrast would also be handy!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Have I mentioned that I hate all of you? (That poster better be fucking magical.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, Faith and Porn extras are both divided in demos/unreleased songs/live stuff.
Comparison and contrast:
1-live stuff, I'd take Porn since as noted above most of the live cuts on Faith were on Curiosity. Plus you get All Mine, which is pretty much urgent and key
2-demos, nothing too special, EXCEPT the psychedelic Primary and a slowed down Hanging Garden, which are both must haves.
3-unreleased songs, pleasant but average goth fare on Porn, Top-like fun extravaganza on Faith

concluding remarks: Carnage Visors

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

The MAGICK poster!!

ihttp://idealcopy.american-data.net//Merchant2/graphics/00000001/large/MUCure

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, me shut up now, yes?

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yeah, having Carnage Visors on CD for the first time almost swings the pendulum decisively towards Faith on its own!

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

is this worth getting, as an import to the uk?

http://idealcopy.american-data.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=IC&Product_Code=MU-CURE-3PACK-01

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I enjoy the 17 Seconds extras without immediately thinking 'revelation' but a number of them are perfectly fine treats -- the Cult Hero tracks of course (including the live versions!), but the alternate "Three" mix is enjoyable and the live in France tracks good. Sadly, by Smith's own admission, what would have been possibly killer demos -- the original solo-at-home demos for a number of the songs, recorded straight after coming off the Cure/Banshees double-act tour -- have been lost. :-(

I've been enjoying all the liner note info with stuff I'd either missed or never knew, such as that info. For instance, Smith says the reason why "The Final Sound" segues into "A Forest" that way is because while it was supposed to be a long instrumental, the tape ran out and Mike Hedges didn't tell them that because they were on such a tight budget they couldn't afford an extra one! Sounds great of course, I love happy accidents.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

i think this is what Baaderonixxxorzh was trying to post:

http://idealcopy.american-data.net//Merchant2/graphics/00000001/large/MUCure-3Pack01.jpg

if that's the actual poster, it's rub.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

ARGH THAT IS PRECISELY THE PACKAGE I AM WAITING FOR "IDEALCOPY" MY ASS MORE LIKE "TORTUREYOUWITHSLOWNESSCOPY"

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

about a year ago i went through the trouble of recording my carnage visors and curiosity cassettes onto CD's. oh well...

ronny longjohns (ronny longjohns), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Er, should I mention I just started listening to 17 Seconds again here at work...?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I think I had already had something very similar to this when I used to hang long boxes on my bedroom walls...

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahah, uh oh, 1989 Ned to thread on that score...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Mind you, at least you could hang some longboxes up as opposed to, I dunno, those horrible plastic bubble things...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

oooh, that deepdiscountcd link above is tempting. my local tower has these for approx $28 (incl tax) which is just ridiculous.

it seems to me that the big ilm cure heads really dig these so far...i still have to ask, are the liner notes, remastering, and extra material really worth it?

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i should add that 17 secs and faith are among my fave cure albums.

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd say it's totally worth it, but I'm that way.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

i knew you would say that, ned!

i have to say that i am glad they are digipaks.

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

In relistening to the 17 bonus songs now they're already starting to nestle in stronger. I especially love the crowd cheering "FRANK-IE!" at the end of the Cult Hero live cuts.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i am most curious about the demos especially after reading the comments about the faith ones above. cult hero and "carnage visors" on cd are good things too. my copy of that curiousity tape has gone the way of, well, tape as well. hm. is any of the stuff on these reissues redundant with join the dots? i like to watch the robert smith image trajectory too (does that ever sound nerdy). the hair began at the end of faith didn't it? my memory is a bit fuzzy...

tricky (disco stu), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link

is any of the stuff on these reissues redundant with join the dots?

Nope -- they've said since the start that Join the Dots would not be replicated on the reissues and so far that's true. I am wondering how they'll handle the Japanese Whispers tracks, though.

I should also note (assuming it hasn't been already) if it hasn't been already that the live version of "Faith" on the second disc of that album is in fact the one from the 12" of "Charlotte Sometimes," which wasn't on JtD and so finally has resurfaced.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

THE CURE: Pornography (Deluxe Edition With Bonus CD) Despatched
THE CURE: Faith (Deluxe Edition With Bonus CD) Despatched
THE CURE: Seventeen Seconds (Deluxe Edition With Bonus CD) Despatched
NICK CAVE & THE BAD SEEDS: B-Sides & Rarities (3CD) Despatched

DESPATCHED AIN'T GOOD ENOUGH! I NEED TO SEE "DELIVERED"!

Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, the Nick Cave box is good too...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Trudged all around the west end in my lunchbreak today, no sign of the reissues in London, now facing the grim reality that I'll not get my paws on these suckers till 2nd May. Jeex.

One consolation, the Stereolab box is aces.

mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I am wondering how they'll handle the Japanese Whispers tracks, though.

Seems fairly obvious that they wouldn't bother doing a Japanese Whispers reissue (it being effectively a singles compilation anyway). I dare say either the three A-sides will be on the Top's second disc, or they'll get orphaned like Killing An Arab (to later be compiled on the Cure's Sensational Sixth Semi-Redundant Singles Comp!)

kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link

picked "faith" up earlier. still haven't listened to it (still listening to stereolab) but the packaging is beautiful!

Aerodynamic (Aerodynamic), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Seems fairly obvious that they wouldn't bother doing a Japanese Whispers reissue (it being effectively a singles compilation anyway)

Sorta my thought. We'll see. There is also that Glove reissue as well...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

so there were a couple of nuggets in the liner notes that were interesting/new to me, but I thought it very odd that they didn't explain "Carnage Visors" at all.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 28 April 2005 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link

also: guy at record store was very excited that I was buying all three and flirted with me despite presence of burly husband. He said I got the last three in the store, and that those had just been recovered from some kid trying to shoplift them.

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 28 April 2005 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Heheheh. It's nice to see that desperation for Cure goodness continues. (As does record store dude oddity, which is perhaps less nice.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 01:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Do these reissues actually SOUND better than the original CDs? I could give a shit less about the extras (they're a nice conclusion, but I won't listen to them more than once), but well-done remastered sound is a big plus for me.

Michael Copeland, Thursday, 28 April 2005 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Make that INclusion, not conclusion.

Wow. I really need to get some sleep.

Michael Copeland, Thursday, 28 April 2005 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, haven't listened to Porn disc 1, but the difference in sound on Faith is huge. I was grinning all through Other Voices...

As for the liner notes, there are some serious holes indeed. No explanation on Carnage Visors or Airlock. Nothing said about that last demo on Pornography (ie. the let's go to bed skeleton), which was recorded AFTER the album, so probably around the time of Lament. Background info would have been nice.

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:52 (nineteen years ago) link

What is the background behind Airlock anyways?

mzui (mzui), Thursday, 28 April 2005 11:00 (nineteen years ago) link

AFAIK, it was a little piece of music played before the band hit the stage (maybe accompanying a film a la Carnage Visors?).

Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Thursday, 28 April 2005 11:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, haven't listened to Porn disc 1, but the difference in sound on Faith is huge. I was grinning all through Other Voices...

Yeah, Faith sounds ridiculously great -- not that it didn't already, but jeez, just everything now, down to the texture of the keyboards on "The Holy Hour" and "The Funeral Party" and the way the drums sound on "All Cats are Grey" and... "Primary" now has this weird fluid grace in the bass that somehow I had never caught or felt before.

Have yet to listen to the extras for that one. But that will happen shortly.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread prompted me to break out my Faith/17 seconds LPs. Both of which I think sound pretty amazing.

But I was dumbstruck at just HOW HORRIBLE A DRUMMER LOL IS. It's like hearing a child barely competent...I still love the records and will forever but jeez...worst drummer ever.

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

*befuddled* Uh. I'll grant you that the sound of the drums on those songs often matters more than the drums themselves (if you follow), but I never saw them as out of place or bad or anything. He may usually have only one trick per song but it's almost always a great trick! (I give you the simple-but-needs-no-more rolling breakdown throughout "All Cats Are Grey.")

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I love the sound...it's his playing that I am refering to, it almost sounds like he falls out of time or is about to.

I dont think his playing takes away from the songs...I just was amazed by it, in a: how come I did'nt notice this before.

Did he play drums on Porn. it sounds like a mixture of him and machines or overdubs, because it sounds vastly improved. Maybe he got beter?!?!

Boris on the other hand...AMAZING!

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Boris is a GOD. Andy Anderson was no slouch, but WOW BORIS!!!

I like JAson a fair amount, too, but oftentimes he's a little too busy; Boris had a great knack for knowing when to stop embellishing.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Boris = best of the lot. Jason's always been just sorta there.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Did he play drums on Porn. it sounds like a mixture of him and machines or overdubs, because it sounds vastly improved. Maybe he got beter?!?!

In the liners for Pornography, Robert sez they invited Phil Thornalley in to coproduce because of his work on the Psychedelic Furs' Talk Talk Talk, specifically the drum sounds, so that might have something to do with it too...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Ahhhh...yeah that Furs album is TOP NOTCH.

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway, revelations as they happen from the Faith second disc:

* Solo home demo of "Doubt" -- *much* slower pace, just guitar and beatbox, no vocals, really enjoyable.

* "Drowning" -- you can sorta sense "The Drowning Man" trying to emerge from this, but it's still different enough, contemplative, almost more like a variant on Carnage's arrangement.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

* "The Holy Hour" -- same pace but the murkiness and the different vocal -- can't tell if it's a flatout different lyric or just a different way Robert sings it, calmer, steadier -- gives it a different kind of warmth as from the final take.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link


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