chicago juke: dj nate, dj rashad [R.I.P. 2014], leatherface aka kaptain cadillac, dj roc &c &c

how are they giving money to brits?

im assuming that brit will start making their own juke songs or 'juke-influenced' songs

even in the event that happens, it's hardly the same as 'giving money', and i doubt any uk faux-juke producers are going to be swimming in cash

labels releasing juke primers will directly remunerate the original innovators tho

I'm kind of loling here at the idea of Night Slugs or Planet Mu making lots of money of this stuff. deej do you have some kind of cultural tie to juke that affords you gatekeeper status? do you buy the vinyls/mp3s on a weekly basis and go to the club nights?

what are you even talking about

i think deej was saying he knew this shit years ago and is kinda lol that some uk bros are suddenly omg juke gotta catch em all

not just that i knew it, its just funny that its treated like a huge discovery & i dont really see any exciting new music being created from this discovery. im glad that yall are helping it to sell other places

i dunno

i like that girl unit track enough tho i had no idea about its supposed lineage

is there a helpful video of british ppl showing me how to dance to footcrab

was just wondering if you have an actual stake in the music, since you live in Chicago and seem so worried about it being diluted or something. not trying to zing

of course he doesn't

this is ILM

im not worried about it, i just cant imagine what kind of good music would come from this 'dilution.' as it is, juke is marginal music in the states & exists for ppl who like to footwork. its cool & interesting & not really ever going to crossover (unless it does in this sorta juke -> nightslugs -> diplo -> lil jon -> one pop hit produced for random R&B singer with slight affect of juke drums kind of path, like the reverse-BAPE thing where japanese people only started wearing BAPES once american rappers did).

its not the same as the way house music worked in the u.s., where it crossed over from underground to the pop charts. its perma-niche like b-more club. the crowd that gets into this stuff in the uk (and music spotters from the u.s. into dubstep) has some vested interest in a narrative about sonic 'progress' that doesnt actually relate to crossover

i dont have a stake in it but im not trying to 'protect' it i just dont think that this is particularly exciting news & is kinda lol

i still think its hilar that i posted about this on ilx like three yrs ago & its just now suddenly a big deal
not that im saying was ahead of the curve -- i just think its lol how 'the curve' exists at all considering how long this stuff has been around.

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Sunday, 12 December 2010 11:03 (Yesterday) Bookmark

deej refers to the concept of a curve - the latency between juke originating and actually being noticed

however, even tho he was aware of juke years ago, ie not subject to 'the curve', he wasn't 'ahead of the curve'

this is amusing to him

brits discover new local dance form; integrate it into whatever IDM is being called at that time; no one outside that scene cares.

the thing is juke was 'noticed' earlier, its just who it is now being noticed by that makes this newsworthy

i admit im being kind of harsh here on dubstep / night slugs etc. & i recognize that this stuff matters to lots of people -- i just think its a bit critically overhyped

i mean mix this in w/ my general rmde about the echo chamber of criticism etc

the crowd that gets into this stuff in the uk (and music spotters from the u.s. into dubstep) has some vested interest in a narrative about sonic 'progress' that doesnt actually relate to crossover

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:16 (1 minute ago) Bookmark

this is rather imputing motives to ppl u don't know

i mean there is some notion about 'progress' in the 'nuum' and related ideas which probably have a little bit of influence on the way producers think nowadays

syncretism has always been an element of that -- detroit, belgian hardcore, timabaland all influenced uk scenes

so obviously it has nothing to do with a crossover of those localized scenes in other places, tho by a side-effect it may introduce ppl to them -- eg uk person starting a thread about a 3+ yr old us microgenre learnt of via uk productions

the thing is juke was 'noticed' earlier, its just who it is now being noticed by that makes this newsworthy

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:21 (3 minutes ago)

so juke has previously been noticed by other ppl, but nobody noticed those ppl while they were noticing it?

like the reverse-BAPE thing where japanese people only started wearing BAPES once american rappers did).

it's not really relevant to your point but you got that backwards deej

why would someone wish to believe that japanese people only started wearing BAPES once american rappers did?

like the reverse-BAPE thing where japanese people only started wearing BAPES once american rappers did).

it's not really relevant to your point but you got that backwards deej

― moonship journey to baja, Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:32 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark

my understanding was that japanese ppl made bapes but they werent selling outside of fashion world folks, but once american rappers started wearing them japanese rap fans did too, because american rappers were

so juke has previously been noticed by other ppl, but nobody noticed those ppl while they were noticing it?

― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:29 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the uk is not the center of the world

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2202574862

what is the chicago tribune's circulation vs. the wire's

the uk is not the center of the world

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:54 (14 minutes ago)

pretty sure it is [via gmt]

schooled by science

so juke has previously been noticed by other ppl, but nobody noticed those ppl while they were noticing it?

― salvia divanorum (nakhchivan), Sunday, December 12, 2010 8:29 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the uk is not the center of the world

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Sunday, December 12, 2010 9:54 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

.....

this stuff is big w/ chicago teens. the dude who wrote about this stuff for the wire is a friend of mine

― HOW I FOLD MY BANDANA (deej), Saturday, October 2, 2010 4:22 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark

are you talking quam? if so then you'd realize one of the biggest proponents of footwork in the media lately is out of chicago - that and combined with the fact that a lot of nightslugs and associated (since that seems to be what's referred to by "uk") are actually stateside it seems the calling out of the uk on this for whatever reason doesn't hold.

if chicagoans think the newsworthiness of their own noticing of juke went sadly unnoticed, it's imperative they pay no notice to limey fuxx whose noticing of juke has become sadly newsworthy

hes a proponent of 'getting it right' afaik -- like i said im ok with / supportive of these guys getting a larger audience, im just reasoning that there wont be much worthwhile music to come from this exposure

FWIW Night Slugs seems more on a bmore tip by and large - the current crop of juke-inspired dubstep tunes feels a bit separate to that (though obv the general aesthetic is pretty indistinguishable and it wouldn't have shocked me to see those tunes being released on Night Slugs).

bmore? really?

to the extent that there is a recurrent trend, and heavily filtered through all their other influences obv.

you could say uk funky as well but I'm trying to avoid discussions of that issue.

Well, Baltimore filtered through Diplo maybe.

And Lex can't get all huffy about that, Bok Bok has put in serious amounts of time on the Hollerboard.

He and Manara used to call themselves Faggatronix for chrissakes. They were intentionally parodying that whole aesthetic.

They picked up the whole chiptune influence from back when it was first starting to get mixed in with dubstep, threw some grime sounding basslines overtop of some electrohouse and voila: Night Slugs. I honestly admire their work ethic and their ability to promote themselves.

Bok Bok has put in serious amounts of time on the Hollerboard.

i have no horse in this race & don't listen to any of this stuff but lol @ this phrase

Well, go check his post count. I am that big a nerd.

ha, i believe you -- i just think "put in serious amounts of time on the Hollerboard" is hilarious, sorry

I don't know, how else do you market music to blog DJs?

A lot of music that gets played in my town might as well have just had a program that reads XML feeds and beatmatches the songs as an actual DJ behind the screen. Its the most trite paint by numbers scene I can think of. And I spent a couple years inside so I guess I should know.

"X has put in serious amounts of time on the Hollerboard" is a decent display name IMO.

for deej it would actually be true

thats a shipley zing you fucked up son

im the sage francis board, Al is the hollerboard. 5 yard penalty

for the last hour the dudes descended from relatively populist house-dance rmxes to fukkin dubstep tracks that ppl stomp around drunkenly to.

haha this is why so many of the djs and producers i know in london set up their own nights. it's obvious that a lot of ilm people have a fixed, set idea of what night slugs and its many affiliates are about - the white middle-class thing is frankly hilarious - but, y'know, remember you're as far away from them as non-chicagoans are from juke.

the thing is juke was 'noticed' earlier, its just who it is now being noticed by that makes this newsworthy

― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Monday, 13 December 2010 02:21 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ie people who run record labels/actually make it available to buy; people who play it out at club nights/actually make it available to dance to? Don't really think it's unreasonable that their input might be considered more valuable than, idk, someone on Dissensus or wherever spending his evenings clicking through Youtube links

Lex what do you think of "Footcrab".

i think it's boring

i saw it getting raved about before i heard it and was so underwhelmed when i heard it

also, it's no better when you actually hear it in a club

Oh good I was worried you were gonna defend it.

I don't know why people are talking about Night Slugs in this thread tbh.

brits discover new local dance form; integrate it into whatever IDM is being called at that time; no one outside that scene cares.

the thing is juke was 'noticed' earlier, its just who it is now being noticed by that makes this newsworthy

Deej you are falling over yourself to appear clued-up and showing your cluelessness in the process. IDM has nothing to do with this scene, even in scare quotes - post-dubstep is another matter but isn't relevant here. But Night Slugs isn't really the important label here, it's Planet Mu and Mike Paradinas, who *is* IDM but as far as I know he's not even trying to make juke himself.

I think of Night Slugs and affiliates as basically magpie-ish - people with very good record collections who like a lot of stuff, want to play it out and throw a lot of different elements into their aesthetic - 2-step, funky, rnb, juke, dubstep, Baltimore, early 90s pop house, South African house, grime... and that's just going on the sets I've heard. So their sets can go all over the place in terms of beats in particular, they're not actually that dissimilar to Diplo in those terms but not as ostentatiously "global". Lex that's fair, no?

Also "Footcrab" is a fucking horrible word.