chicago juke: dj nate, dj rashad [R.I.P. 2014], leatherface aka kaptain cadillac, dj roc &c &c

dubstep isn't IDM, it's trip hop for the 10s

lol i thought that was disco edits

another uk version of juke (and it's 160 bpm...those ramadanman tracks talked about up thread slow it down to 130ish): http://oomk.tumblr.com/post/2190370393/zomby-digital-rain-we-want-moah

i'm totally unsurprised that dubstep producers would gravitate towards this stuff. beat-wise, there are more similarities than differences...the syncopation/sense of clave in the drums, high bpm with half-time backbeats, etc.

close, deej. disco edits are the big beat of the 10s.

dubstep isn't IDM, it's trip hop for the 10s

maybe, but trip hop for the 10s >>>> trip hop for the 90s

trip-hop was awesome and "trip-hop for the 10s" is nothing but a positive

yes and no

prefer trip hop from the 90s -- at least tried to sound vaguely sexxy

exception: that jamie woon track (original version) is still my shit

of interest to people into that jamie woon track: creep ft. romy madley croft (from the xx) - days

sexiest dubstep track was flylo + thom yorke

the thing abt the jamie woon track of course is that it doesnt sound like dubstep at all

nor does james blake, mt kimbie, etc etc

dubsteps a lot of different things. some of it's the trip hop of the 10s, some of it is the drum n bass, some of it the electro and some of it the detroit techno.

^

(that jamie woon track is basically 'burial doing pop/house' to me)

"dubstep" as a single central thing pretty much doesn't exist as it did 4-5 years ago, and there are a bunch of rather interesting reasons for that - but anyway, saying "[x] sounds like dubstep" in 2010 doesn't really tell me much about what that thing sounds like.

indeed non-londoners cottoning on to dubstep in 2010 could be compared to non-chicagoans cottoning on to juke in 2010

dubstep iirc basically describes any awkward stilted song w jabbing bass frequencies that stoners listen to. the clumsier the rhythm the more 'dubstep influence'

can we consider my trolling here 'argument trolling' & not 'personal beef' trolling? just fyi

disprove me of my stereotypes

deej i'm guessing you don't like the whole flylo/brainfeeder beat scene either?

i am familiar with dubstep stoner listener stereotypes, we've had them here for years. they're lame. tarring every kind of music that's vaguely linked to the genre with that brush is just inaccurate though.

the gist of my post was the slow, uncomfortable rhythmic aspects. it's anti-house, that way, mad masculine. i think hip hop production has done a better job of bringing together (& often playing off) masculine & feminine, this stuff always feels weighted on the male side of that equation

ignore the stoner stereotype for a moment & just throw me some traxx that are dubstep-qua-dubstep, but dont strike you as stereotypically clumsy, rhythmically

sorry if this is remedial ilx shit -- we can bypass this if its been done before.
i also wont be able to check youtubes etc til i get home from work

"dubstep qua dubstep" - do you mean dubstep from back in the day (which i'm not an expert on and only have a vague liking for) or, like, various iterations of it now?

ARE YOU A TRIPSTER?!?!?! OMG WTF LOL

just throw me some traxx that are dubstep-qua-dubstep, but dont strike you as stereotypically clumsy, rhythmically

Pinch - Qawwali
Mala - Left Leg Out
Toasty - Splash
Mala - Change / Forgive
the Silkie album
Monkeysteak - Lighthouse Dub (Pinch Remix)

Although maybe none of these are exactly dubstep-qua-dubstep, which if interpreted narrowly basically means the space between Benga, Leofah, Distance and Skream.

by "clumsy" i don't know if you mean the unquantized thing or the big-beat heaviness of some dubstep shit (which i hate).

but 'cmyk' is pretty straightforward rhythmically and not overly dude-ish:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQoQirZwxE4

and i could see this working on a dancefloor here, maybe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0phGzrcTEE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDuznqhS6tQ

i think you can call a (relatively) old mala track and/or one of the first tracks pinch every produced "dubstep-qua-dubstep".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VrEkkI-y0w

^^ feminine pressure

pretty sure that 2562 track will read as very 'clumsy' to deej

dubstep from a few years back -

geiom ft. marita - reminissin'
pangaea - router
mr lager ft. alys be - tell me
mala - alicia
benga - e trips
benga & coki - night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBp0EyMhCwE

wait but this is a FOOTWORK thread

i am throwing out dubstep tracks that sound not rhythmically masculine, and if we're reading "masculine" as "not deep house" then at least no more masculine than footwork!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRnYY-sn1Rw

that's not a typo

rhythmically complex but NOT rhythmically masculine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3epmUGyBUf8

okay that's a bit masculine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nK-sN_DDfk

ok pretty much disqualifies itself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEjVC-zEbeM

pretty good except for the 4/4 part

posting in former juke-turned-dubstep thread that it seems sort of backwards to be making a point of forcing arguably progressive/forward-thinking/whachawannacallit music into a masculine/feminine duality

not to speak for deej, but i think he might be asking for dubstep could conceivably work in a u.s. club, i.e. not too abstract, aggressive, or strictly-for-the-heads nerdy?

why?

making a point of forcing arguably progressive/forward-thinking/whachawannacallit music into a masculine/feminine duality

I can see the issue with dualities but don't see why this would be more true of arguably progressive/forward-thinking/whachawannacallit music than anything else, can you elaborate please marc.

i think he might be asking for dubstep could conceivably work in a u.s. club, i.e. not too abstract, aggressive, or strictly-for-the-heads nerdy?

ok, didn't get that too clearly

I can see the issue with dualities but don't see why this would be more true of arguably progressive/forward-thinking/whachawannacallit music than anything else

i recognize it's probably just my opinion but using traditional heteronormative classifications for a lot of things comes off as antiquated to me - wherein applying these to anything progressive (can i take this wording back yet?) and whatnot seems especially at odds. though i realize there's already a long history of referring to characteristics like abstractedness as masculine. carry on.

back to clubbiness - it's frustrating how much crossover potential implied as a form of validity keeps coming up in this thread, but anyway i don't see why dubstep couldn't work in a club - but i'm under the impression most anything will work in a club. make it loud and throw some lights on and provide alcohol and aside from the wanting to hear something familiar, club-goers on the whole don't care do they?

the only time i've heard dubstep in the us to a non-head audience was kingdom, jubilee, egyptrixx, cubic zirconia, and some other dude downstairs at webster hall over the summer. it wasn't an "in the know" audience at all - hang-arounds from the hardcore band reunion show beforehand, local friends supporting, and curious normal-clubgoers walking in from the other room. it wasn't all dubstep but of course some tracks got in alongside all of the otherness that also isn't in much of a pop-friendly format. everyone had a great time for all of the lights/alcohol/don't care reasons above.

...and the fog machine (i hate fog machines)

(and also that was just the downstairs room and not megaclub-y at all)

quam just linked to this "prog juke" track by dj tmo

is this heading anywhere towards the wanting it to sound more like gabba someone mentioned?

Marc the issue I have is that it sounds like you're equating abstraction with progression (your desire to withdraw that term is noted though) which strikes me as more loaded than talking about stuff in terms of masculinity or femininity. But I'd disagree with your general point anyway not just because i'm loathe to use terms like "progressive": if we're talking about music doing something new, interesting, noteworthy etc there's no reason that this can't be done in the context of sonics that tend to code "masculine" (say, assaultive grooves) or "feminine" (say, singalong choruses).

As a general rule it's not any particular description of music that is outmoded, it's the chains of equivalence between those descriptions.

it sounds like you're equating abstraction with progression

yeah not all, was just up on the specific use of m/f but doubt that'll get anywhere in here.