― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 November 2003 11:05 (twenty years ago) link
Dawkins stresses that TSG is not as negative as it sounds, and points out 1) many ways in which altruism is an ESS, and 2) that we have the self knowledge and therefore the ability to *not* be fatalistic about selfishness.
― Citizen Kate (kate), Monday, 17 November 2003 11:08 (twenty years ago) link
― enrique (Enrique), Monday, 17 November 2003 11:12 (twenty years ago) link
I mean, misunderstanding number one is that "the selfish gene" means that somehow there is a "gene for selfishness" which we all have. When the title of the book refers to the fact that it is the actual chromosomes which are selfish, yet are able to express themselves in ways that are not selfish to the *individual*.
― Citizen Kate (kate), Monday, 17 November 2003 11:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Sam (chirombo), Monday, 17 November 2003 11:16 (twenty years ago) link
One thing I think we could probably all agree on is that Dawkins is better than Matt Ridley.
― Sam (chirombo), Monday, 17 November 2003 11:22 (twenty years ago) link
Whenever i see his stupid pointed smug head on tv i want to tear it apart.
― Pete S, Monday, 17 November 2003 12:20 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete S, Monday, 17 November 2003 12:22 (twenty years ago) link
Richard Dawkins is a nasty man because he says its all a result of mechanical process'.
― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete S, Monday, 17 November 2003 13:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete S, Monday, 17 November 2003 13:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:57 (twenty years ago) link
― Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Monday, 17 November 2003 13:58 (twenty years ago) link
*explodes with rage*
DAWKINS HAS NEVER SAID THIS. In fact he has repeatedly and vigorously pointed out that this is not the case.
It really bugs me how someone whose most famous book was an attempt to explain altruistic behaviour in animals is regularly accused of promoting selfish behaviour in humans on the basis of the books bloody TITLE. READ THE FUCKING BOOK ALREADY!
― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:01 (twenty years ago) link
― Citizen Kate (kate), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:02 (twenty years ago) link
Dawkins is left-wing and there's even some OTT sentence about how 'we alone in the animal kingdom have developed the power to overthrow the tyranny of our genes'. He also points out that we do this everytime we use a condom. Or was it have a wank? I can't remember.
― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:07 (twenty years ago) link
― enrique (Enrique), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete S, Monday, 17 November 2003 14:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:10 (twenty years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete S, Monday, 17 November 2003 14:12 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete S, Monday, 17 November 2003 14:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:14 (twenty years ago) link
― Dale the Titled (cprek), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:15 (twenty years ago) link
wha? everyone advocates skepticism. it's a friggin skeptical world.
― enrique (Enrique), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:19 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:20 (twenty years ago) link
Dawkins did not invent memes, though he did popularise the term.
― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete S, Monday, 17 November 2003 14:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Citizen Kate (kate), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:23 (twenty years ago) link
― enrique (Enrique), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:23 (twenty years ago) link
― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:25 (twenty years ago) link
― enrique (Enrique), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete S, Monday, 17 November 2003 14:27 (twenty years ago) link
disturbing people is a good thing -- always?
― enrique (Enrique), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:28 (twenty years ago) link
Dawkins OTM!
― Momus (Momus), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:29 (twenty years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:29 (twenty years ago) link
oh right. well, i don't agree that you should bulldoze my house, but hey, i'm a rational being so i'll just have to sit on it.
why are political motivations -- such 'real world' things as nationalism, imperialism -- more rational than so-called delusional stuff (if you think you can separate our politics from the incroyable religious meme-web that is western culture)?
― enrique (Enrique), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete S, Monday, 17 November 2003 14:33 (twenty years ago) link
― Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:34 (twenty years ago) link
erm, just bloody loads of them, dude.
― enrique (Enrique), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete S, Monday, 17 November 2003 14:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Pete S, Monday, 17 November 2003 14:37 (twenty years ago) link
no, just with the chest-beating idiocy contained in statements such as the one quoted by momus.
― enrique (Enrique), Monday, 17 November 2003 14:37 (twenty years ago) link
"Eugenics: it works, bitches" - Richard Dawkins
― jmm, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 19:49 (four years ago) link
He probably means ‘works’ in terms of population growth? I’m guessing there’s more cats & dogs than there used to be.
― badg, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 19:50 (four years ago) link
He expanded that what he meant was that just as we can breed cows to produce more milk, we could breed humans to run faster - but of course, he deplores the idea of eugenics; he's just stating the facts.
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 19:52 (four years ago) link
i really don't think we need to give him the benefit of having a clue what he's saying
― babby bitter (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 19:52 (four years ago) link
Richard Dawkins is just a racist guy online, the things he says don’t have to mean anything
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 18 February 2020 20:05 (four years ago) link
this fuckin dummy
Dawkins has spent much of his career calling anyone who believes in God or who studies religion a huge dumbass, so pivoting to being an anti-“war on Christmas” guy is.... something. pic.twitter.com/pBcEZH3taQ— hannah gais (@hannahgais) December 24, 2020
― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 24 December 2020 03:18 (three years ago) link
His performative atheism has taken second place to his actual racism for years
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 24 December 2020 07:44 (three years ago) link
dreaming of a white holiday huh
― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Thursday, 24 December 2020 08:35 (three years ago) link
Great Thinker.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 24 December 2020 08:59 (three years ago) link
believes in the very real objective science of calipers and bell curves
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 24 December 2020 09:15 (three years ago) link
for dawk so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son (the word "meme")
― mark s, Thursday, 24 December 2020 09:45 (three years ago) link
I would like to approach Richard with the idea of a "Dawkins Reacts" youtube channel, reckon there's a decent amount of grift out there currently up for grabs.
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 24 December 2020 09:57 (three years ago) link
I guess it's irrational anger about something innocuous and I would never write an asinine tweet about it... but i loathe "happy holidays".
― ledge, Thursday, 24 December 2020 10:16 (three years ago) link
it comes from a place of acknowledging that significant numbers of your population have a non-Christian faith tho
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 24 December 2020 10:24 (three years ago) link
happy holidays ledge
― Left, Thursday, 24 December 2020 10:49 (three years ago) link
dick dork has always been a white supremacist first
― Left, Thursday, 24 December 2020 10:51 (three years ago) link
yeah i sometimes feel inappropriate saying happy xmas but I can't bear the americanism, sorry to be racist against americans.
― ledge, Thursday, 24 December 2020 11:04 (three years ago) link
it doesn't work in a UK context because "holidays" means something different here.
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 24 December 2020 12:31 (three years ago) link
don't know if Dawkins has taken any time to consider this, probably not but who knows what's going on in there
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 24 December 2020 12:32 (three years ago) link
i agree it sounds awkward in uk usage sometimes but nobody most people sorry ledge lol complaining about it in public aren't complaining about the sounding awkward bit
― Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 24 December 2020 12:36 (three years ago) link
happy holidays as praxis against anti-PC sentiment and anti-"americanism" language policing
― Left, Thursday, 24 December 2020 12:38 (three years ago) link
I cannot think of any issue that matters less, especially this year, so bringing it up is obviously tied to an agenda
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 24 December 2020 12:43 (three years ago) link
tbh i’m not sure dawkins has much of an agenda any more i think he’s just an old bellend.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 24 December 2020 12:54 (three years ago) link
What's this clown said now?
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 December 2020 12:54 (three years ago) link
To be fair, they only get like two days off a year over there.
― Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 December 2020 12:56 (three years ago) link
dawkins has always had a racist eugenicist agenda, he just doesn't bother to temper it with liberal progressive pandering as much as he did for a while since everyone knows what he's about now
― Left, Thursday, 24 December 2020 13:05 (three years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/apr/20/richard-dawkins-loses-humanist-of-the-year-trans-comments
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 13:35 (three years ago) link
can't believe his atheism is just coded white supremacy
― Bitchin Doutai (Noodle Vague), Monday, 1 April 2024 08:40 (one month ago) link
Shocked I tells ya..
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 1 April 2024 10:18 (one month ago) link