THOSE FUCKING ENGLAND FLAGS!

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D-Day is all about quiet dignified introvert remembrance koogs ;)

stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link

D-Day celebrations=massive amnesiac idea of WW2.

Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:22 (nineteen years ago) link

The first footie thread I've ever been interested in reading. Because this is aspect of football that concerns me most. It is symbolic warfare. Of course it's going to lead to jingoism and then Nationalism. Organised symbolic conflict which is supposed to take the place of actual organised conflict becomes a justification and excuse for disorganised actual conflict.

Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I think it's more interesting that the football dovetailed nicely into the rise of the UKIP in the Euro elections.

Spooky innit? I guess the same rules for right-wing politics work around the same rules for comedy and that is...


TIMING!

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know if FCUKIP is right-wing or not, sorry for jumping to that conclusion, I was referring to stuff upthread.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:27 (nineteen years ago) link

> D-Day celebrations=massive amnesiac idea of WW2.

thinking last weekend was a 'celebration' = massive amnesiac idea of WW2.

koogs (koogs), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Seen on way to friend's game/BBQ party:

One of those steroid milkfloat things used by collecting binmen had a French flag displayed INSIDE THE RUBBISH CAGE.

This after meeting my French friends Gilles and Florence for coffee, when they said that the French flag is also taken over by the far right after Ed explained the bit about Union Jackasses. Which just shows that most countries' flags are focal for the wingnuts within.

I had a big case of Sport Tourettes last night but mostly our party was wondering if Robson is now old and dribbly enough for incontinence pants. We also spent serious time slagging off Emile Heskey: 'Oohhh! See Emily play...NOT."

suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry, a broken bottle of beer?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link

i always knew you led a double life as a terrace menace Suzy...

stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link

What gets me is the St George cross flags/shirts/etcetera that have the word 'England' across the middle. HAD YOU FORGOTTEN WHAT IT MEANT? You don't see the French writing 'Francais" across the Tricolor (sic), do you?

X-post, or maybe you do. But I've not noticed it on TV coverage of matches.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:35 (nineteen years ago) link

D-Day celebrations=massive amnesiac idea of WW2.

thinking last weekend was a 'celebration' = massive amnesiac idea of WW2

it had been turned into a grotesque, self-congratulatory circle-jerk by current ruling elites, at any rate.


Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:40 (nineteen years ago) link

flags excite the right wing in people for some reason. here in australia there have been multiple kerfuffles over flag burning and whether it falls within the constitutional right to free speech in the past couple of years. it's a bit beyond me personally. but then i was also completely mystified by the outrage over today's kids not knowing what d-day was as well. perhaps i have no soul.

gem (trisk), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:41 (nineteen years ago) link

People should know what D-Day is, of course -- it need not be a right-wing commemoration as it tends to be.

Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:42 (nineteen years ago) link

D-day commemorations become more preposterous if they continue to happen on years w/ zeros on the end of them after every veteran has died.

which prolly won't be too long - cue single centenarian standing on beach.

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:43 (nineteen years ago) link

should they? why is that? not saying they shouldn't, just that i couldn't really understand the outrage over it.

gem (trisk), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link

D-Day anniversary is more correctly a commemoration (xpost). Also it was implied that all the stops were out as this was meant to be the last ceremonies of this type to do with this war.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link

but then i was also completely mystified by the outrage over today's kids not knowing what d-day was as well

well quite. Being an island in the Southern Hemisphere gives Australia every reason to shrug about Northern Hemisphere wars past and present.

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link

you're being sarcastic mark?

gem (trisk), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not being sarcastic at all. what made you think I was?

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Mark, I think you'll find Australians fought in these wars too, not to mention also being in Iraq right now. The odd history lesson about this and the repercussions of WWII probably wouldn't hurt.

suzy (suzy), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Leonard Johansson (UEFA High Heid Yin) praised the English FA for the steps they had taken to prevent known hooligans travelling to Portugal in an attempt to minimise violence.
This seems to have worked to an extent, with no major clashes at or around the stadium last night. What I can't work out is how on earth it all kicked off in Croydon. I can't fathom the mentality that says 'we love England and everything that remotely symbolises all that is good about England' then goes and throws stones at Bobbies in their quintessentially English silly hats.

Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i wasn't sure. only a large number of australians died beneath the british flag and rather a lot of fighting in ww2 went on in the southern hemisphere too, so i actually do think we should acknowledge it as an important part of our national history.... but the uproar about people forgetting the details surprised me, that's all.

gem (trisk), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:49 (nineteen years ago) link

the poor old aussies even had to fight in vietnam.

i hate the england flags, i don't really know why, but combine them with the recent election results and you just want to throw up. thatcher's children are back!

dave amos, Monday, 14 June 2004 09:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I found it slightly more distressing to see French flags adouring a pub up here. A touch unnecessary from the Scots minority.

___ (___), Monday, 14 June 2004 09:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, when it comes to football, i think the french are quite multilateralist : cf all the algerian and moroccan flags in the stadium yesterday.

-Bruno, Monday, 14 June 2004 09:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm basically with Dog Latin on this. Flags make me angry - they just seem to reek of ignorance and act as carte blanche for acts of ugly xenophobia in our country's namer.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:06 (nineteen years ago) link

a flag need only be a geographic reference, tho religion tends to dominate proceedings (perhaps one reason why i LIKE the USA flag).

stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:12 (nineteen years ago) link

as a geographic reference, you can't beat the Cyprus flag.

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link

more animals on flags please

stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link

doesn't the California flag have a bear on it?

chris (chris), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Flags make me angry

Okaaaaayyyyy....

Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Coventry coat of arms to thread!

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:48 (nineteen years ago) link

That California flag in full:

http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/calflag1.gif

As you can see by the red star and the logo, we are also an independent country and Communist.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, the Cov shield is great for a cornucopia of animals - what I was initially thinking of was Warwickshire's:

http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/Web/Graphics/graphics.nsf/graphics/Warwickshire+Coat+of+arms/$file/coatofarms.jpg

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

is the Libyan flag still just a green base with nothing on it?

stevem (blueski), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:50 (nineteen years ago) link

The bear looks like he's dancing with the tree trunk.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:50 (nineteen years ago) link

it is officially known as a ragged staff...hence the Bear & Ragged Staff pub name - there are pubs of this name in Romsey, Hants and Cumnor, Oxon.

The Coventry coat of arms *should* feature Lady Godiva.

MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 14 June 2004 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm basically with Dog Latin on this. Flags make me angry - they just seem to reek of ignorance and act as carte blanche for acts of ugly xenophobia in our country's namer.

They also make for great weapons

ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"the day I take pride in my country is the day the people who are so fucking proud of it stop making me feel ashamed to live here."

I love you dog latin, for summing up my general state of mind over the last few weeks in ways that I never could.

England's youth are the equivalent to other countries doddering old war veterans, especially when football is involved.

Oliver Pyper (stickthrower), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

What are their vets like?

Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

The American flag is a design travesty! At least the English one shows some simplicity and restraint. I mean, not to be thinnist, but would you rather be faced with overweight nationalists or overweight nationalists in giant, red, horizontal stripes.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:49 (nineteen years ago) link

'End Tyranny' and 'No War' does not compute.

Enrique (Enrique), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

imagine that without this hippie bs

Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"preserving liberty" and "save trees" does not compute either. what about my liberty to cut trees? what if one day i decided that cutting down trees would make me happy??

happiness, more or less, it's about cutting trees, something in my liberty.

oh my my!

ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

We had to practise some spectacular self-editing in the pub last night. One of our party has the last name French. In all the time I have known him we've generally called him French, Frenchie, Frenchwise, Frenchbloke etc. I think he probablt had to wear an England shirt in self-defence.

Anna (Anna), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

he should change his lastname to Freedom

ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Ken, the right to swing your axe ends where the other man's branch begins.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

The line for me is a simple positive/negative one. Pride in your country = positive. Hating other countries = negative. The absolute worst thing about football, for me, is picking a team to hate and I know *so* many people who do it. It's not part of the fun, it's not what sport should be about.

I called a French player a name last night. It was Willy Spagbol.

Madchen (Madchen), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Ken, the right to swing your axe ends where the other man's branch begins.

does that include wooden legs?

ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 June 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Any kind of patriotic display is my idea of hell.

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 13:21 (one year ago) link

last time i saw that many of those flags was a national front march

koogs, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 15:16 (one year ago) link

there is a family run dairy farm down the road from me that have a flagpole by the farmhouse and they rotate their flags. Sometimes they have a union jack that has some kind of sinister looking masonic symbol on it and they other odd looking ones that I couldn't i.d. At the moment they have St Georgie cross and a Ukrainian flag under it. Sometimes the old boy stops + chats + offers me an apple from their orchard while driving past on his dinky little tractor and trailer. I daren't ask him what the symbol on the union flag is as I'm already fearful he may be grooming me for some kind of human sacrifice ritual.

calzino, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 16:15 (one year ago) link

there's a new flagpole in the park, has been there about 6 months and i've never seen a flag on it.

koogs, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 16:36 (one year ago) link

Just back from being in Scotland for a week, you see a lot of flags up there - Scottish flags, of course.

Doodles Diamond (Tom D.), Tuesday, 24 May 2022 19:06 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

not so much

koogs, Friday, 2 December 2022 09:21 (one year ago) link

Not sure I've seen any tbh.

Oh wouldn't it be rubbery? (Tom D.), Friday, 2 December 2022 10:42 (one year ago) link

Nope

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 2 December 2022 10:43 (one year ago) link

All we needed was an Arab world cup in winter. Yay!

xyzzzz__, Friday, 2 December 2022 10:51 (one year ago) link

And the Queen dying. Yay!!

Oh wouldn't it be rubbery? (Tom D.), Friday, 2 December 2022 10:54 (one year ago) link

i saw a couple of tiny ones this morning in a windowbox which made me realise i hadn't seen them. the block by the shops which is usually draped in them has nothing.

koogs, Friday, 2 December 2022 11:18 (one year ago) link

Sadly if England improvise a bit of Purcell over those sweet Senegalese textures to get to the quarters we will see more of this shit.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 2 December 2022 11:27 (one year ago) link

only seen 1 of those plastic car ones so far. i'm guessing that no retailers bothered stocking them due to general pre-tournament antipathy, so any you see would've been kept from last time?

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Friday, 2 December 2022 11:37 (one year ago) link

As a barber
my most iconic work
was bleaching
Phil Foden's
hair

Michael Jones, Friday, 2 December 2022 11:43 (one year ago) link

Feels a bit like that with Christmas this year. I mean, obvs there's Christmas stuff about the gaffe in town but it all seems a bit rote and "can't be arsed"

Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, 2 December 2022 13:34 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

https://i.ibb.co/QcdWRtz/uuu.jpg

Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 13:21 (one year ago) link

Can we guess the city?

lord of the rongs (anagram), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 13:44 (one year ago) link

swindon

LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 13:55 (one year ago) link

Should I move it to the GTC thread?

Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 14:46 (one year ago) link

Or guess it here!? Engish cities get sort of a lukewarm reception there

Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 14:49 (one year ago) link

As an aside I posted it here because I streetviewed round a few British cities looking for flags, and there are a lot fewer than I remembered/imagined. I have a feeling they somewhat ubiqutuous but streetview seems to suggest otherwise!

Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 14:52 (one year ago) link

it's Scandinavia you need to go to if you want to see national flags everywhere

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 14:53 (one year ago) link

I tried two Scandinavian cities and they both failed the 100 click street view challenge (how many flags can you see in 100 movements)

Aarhus 0
Oslo 1

Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 15:30 (one year ago) link

Additionally

The city above: 3
Derby: 0
Peterborough: 1 (Polish)
Blackpool: 0
Ayr: 0
Samara: 1
Charleroi: 2 (1 Belgian 1 Ukrainian)
Worcester MA: 4
Tirana: 2
Belgrade: 6
Kyiv: 11

Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 7 March 2023 15:36 (one year ago) link

four weeks pass...

Its time to give Clacton a go at this

Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 10:03 (one year ago) link

0!

Not a single flag in a hundred clicks

https://i.ibb.co/FXtDdwS/Screenshot-2023-04-04-at-12-11-27.png

I did discover this miniature spacecraft though

Tow Law City (cherry blossom), Tuesday, 4 April 2023 10:13 (one year ago) link

four weeks pass...

bump

lots of tiny flags in hammersmith, strung tightly from lamp post to lamp post.

one of the post-v1* houses a couple of roads over has a couple of large ones and some bunting.

park flagpost, not yet.

(* there's a gap in a terrace filled with two obviously cheaply-built blocks. graffiti in the plaster work is dated 1945)

koogs, Wednesday, 3 May 2023 09:53 (eleven months ago) link

ten months pass...

you had one job...

koogs, Monday, 25 March 2024 10:10 (one month ago) link


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