T/S Telex vs. YMO vs. Kraftwerk

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OK when I started this thread I had two YMO songs and one Kraftwerk song stuck in my head.

Now I have like 3 or 4 Telex songs stuck in my head and no Kraftwerk or YMO at all.

Hmm.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

neon lights, shimmering neon lights...
and at the fall of night,
this city's made of light.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 13 May 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Now I have like 3 or 4 Telex songs stuck in my head and no Kraftwerk or YMO at all.

It's like how a defeated France came back to win WWII...uh, yeah. Y'know, with American help (Eisenhower = the Maels). Okay I'm going now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned, are you trying to compare the vocoder and the atom bomb again?

TOMBOT, Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Dan OTM w/ "Neon Lights". As much as I love YMO, they never captured that sense of genuine sweetness.

Telex, I have no idea about.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned, are you trying to compare the vocoder and the atom bomb again?

Mmm...that's a beautiful dream.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I would love to hear:

Kraftwerk cover "Taiso" by YMO
YMO cover "En Route Vers de Nouvelles Aventures" by Telex
Telex cover "Pocket Calculator" by Kraftwerk

TOMBOT, Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha! Your very last suggestion definitely the best.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I want to hear Sparks due Bostich by Yello.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 13 May 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

i want to hear Alizee do I Want More by Can

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 13 May 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow stevem, now there's no YMO or Telex or Kraftwerk in my head at all.

TOMBOT, Thursday, 13 May 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I am INTERESTED in Telex and am not putting this up to slag them, but here is Ira Robbins in the Trouser Press Guide Telex entry:

"A bland dance machine and a reasonably clever techno-pop team"

On the first album: "The orginals...are mundane and one-dimensional."

On Neurovision: "Another batch of boring originals."

On Sex: "Unfortunately, Telex's languid creations lack the spunk to keep up with the warped wordplay."

Tim Ellison, Thursday, 13 May 2004 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to like Ira R.'s writing a lot.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 13 May 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I mostly like Trouser Guide, in fact it was my bible for many, many years, but there's lots of stuff where they were totally off the mark, or had the wrong reviewer. I think some stuff that is better scene in a dancefloor light may not have been treated so kindly. Their review of the Homosexuals was pretty short-sighted and their review of the Lines perhaps true only if you listen to the albums once without really paying any attention...and never heard the singles. Anyway, I have more pet peaves with Trouser Guide but my favorite thing is how certain bands rewviews changed with editions. The 4th edition completely writes off Pop Will Eat Itself, while the 90s edition lists them as vital and interesting. The Swans review cracks me up as well. I especially like the really negative reviews. INXS and Janes Addiction both get reamed.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 13 May 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Y.M.O. because of NAUGHTY BOYS. Tough call though. And I haven't heard much Telex, but I get the feeling they're on a lower level.

Patrick South (Patrick South), Friday, 14 May 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I actually sold Naughty Boys back to the Oberlin Co-Op for some reason. Idiot.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 14 May 2004 20:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I just wanna say:
Shari Vari
(Shari Shari Vari Vari)
Shari Vari
(Shari Shari Vari Vari)

Side note: Kraftwerk take all for making the best lps, but Moscow Diskow is prolly my fave dance party tune.

sexyDancer, Friday, 14 May 2004 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link

so sexy dancer votes for Kano?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 14 May 2004 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I always vote Marijuana Reform Party. Everybody knows that.

sexyDancer, Friday, 14 May 2004 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i want to hear Alizee do I Want More by Can

When I opened this thread I was going to point out that the winner is definitely YMO, but now I'm pretty sure the winner is stevem.

Allyzay, Saturday, 15 May 2004 01:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Telex does not get enough credit!

Where the heck are thier rereleases?

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 15 May 2004 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link

page of kraftwerk covers:

http://park10.wakwak.com/~techno/kraftwerkesque.html


(actually that whole webpage is amazing!)

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 15 May 2004 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link

here's the YMO one:
http://park10.wakwak.com/~techno/ymoesque.html

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 15 May 2004 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Also Telex produced Lio!

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 15 May 2004 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I should also add that "Lotus Love" from Naughty Boys is great. First place I learned that Japanese pop songs have English choruses but Japanese verses. So very bizarre.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 15 May 2004 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

three years pass...

I can't stop listening to Telex. I'm not about to claim they're better than YMO or Kraftwerk (both among my favorite groups ever), but they certainly deserve mad props, and probably a thread of their own.

I am INTERESTED in Telex and am not putting this up to slag them, but here is Ira Robbins in the Trouser Press Guide Telex entry:

On the first album: "The orginals...are mundane and one-dimensional."

uh...This is incredibly misguided. The originals are fucking brilliant.

Recommendation: If you haven't heard "Moskow Discow", fix the hole in your life you never knew needed filling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLJSsE-m4lI

These are the recommended dance moves when you listen to the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsW2RuLE3dA&feature=related

Z S, Thursday, 1 May 2008 03:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I have a lot more understanding for Autobahn than I used to. half of it still sounds way too much like sound effects/library tunes from the same time frame to seem all that much like a real kraut groundbreaker, but what do I know, I think GAS and NEU are fucking boring

El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 May 2008 03:44 (sixteen years ago) link

also sad fact: I kind of wore out "Taiso" for myself for at least a little while

El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 May 2008 03:46 (sixteen years ago) link

i've been listening to Telex's "Neurovision" again a lot lately. "My Time" and "En Route" are amazing.

jaxon, Thursday, 1 May 2008 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link

YMO ( pre-90's Techno comeback) for me. They could do goofy and spacey and Romantic - sometimes within the same song! - like no one else and their tunes are definitely the catchiest. Plus THOSE SYNTHS!

Capitaine Jay Vee, Thursday, 1 May 2008 07:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I hope this thread has by now at least made Tom's list of things to recant on his deathbed.

kenan, Thursday, 1 May 2008 07:26 (sixteen years ago) link

oh yeah that was fucking insane and terrible when I tried to compare some bands that weren't kraftwerk to kraftwerk

I mean they recorded morgenspaziergang

El Tomboto, Thursday, 1 May 2008 07:33 (sixteen years ago) link

I still haven't heard any Telex other than this one, which is the best Eurovision entry by anyone ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6USa0zUMmqI

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 1 May 2008 08:01 (sixteen years ago) link

xpost No, I know, equal time and all that, but I sense a definite anti-Kraftwerk tendency. (Kraftwerk backlash?)

Maybe the best thing about Kraftwerk is how it all should by rights sound like sound effects and library music, but instead it sounds like grace.

kenan, Thursday, 1 May 2008 09:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Myself, I just give thanks. :)

kenan, Thursday, 1 May 2008 09:30 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

i've been listening to Telex's "Neurovision" again a lot lately. "My Time" and "En Route" are amazing.

-- jaxon, Thursday, 1 May 2008 04:27

"my time" is a cover of this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=OdIec0xuz40. i love both versions.

also great: http://youtube.com/watch?v=fVRtaBJzuKY (original is good too).

jaime, Monday, 16 June 2008 16:37 (fifteen years ago) link

I tend to think there was more interplay going on between Giorgio Moroder and Kraftwerk than we give credit, whereas Telex and YMO feel in the wake of this.

Moroder's 1975 album seemed to be heavily influenced by early Kraftwerk, and songs on Kraftwerk's 1978 album Man Machine (Space Lab, Metropolis, etc) seemed to borrow even more from the post-1977 I Feel Love/Midnight Express world of Moroder.

But Sakamoto's harmonic approach has me coming back to YMO more than the others.

PappaWheelie V, Monday, 16 June 2008 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...

So no-one commented on Marc Moulin's death last month (TELEX). Seemed like a thoroughly great guy, the kind you'd wanna be when you grow up if you weren't already so old.

baaderonixx, Friday, 31 October 2008 08:52 (fifteen years ago) link

10 years ago I would have said Kraftwerk, but nowadays I much prefer YMO.

MaresNest, Friday, 31 October 2008 10:01 (fifteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

Egg City Radio (one of my favorite blog things) put up a bunch of Telex very recently. It is awfully good. Trouser Press not to be believed.

dlp9001, Thursday, 6 August 2009 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Original version of "My Time" is on this album, all of which is really wonderful!

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Thursday, 6 August 2009 20:44 (fourteen years ago) link

I have heard too little Telex to really make up an opionion about them, except I love what I've heard. Like both Kraftwerk and YMO too, but YMO kind of lost it throughout the 80s. So, Kraftwerk then.

Tied Up In Geir (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 August 2009 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link

five years pass...

the second side of Technodelic has floored me.

posting from the floor here

Karl Malone, Thursday, 18 September 2014 22:21 (nine years ago) link

I do stand behind "Gradated Gray" as maybe the single greatest technopop song period

Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Friday, 19 September 2014 04:05 (nine years ago) link

i am STILL on the floor. i am trying to figure out which limb i could bite off for sustenance and still live

Karl Malone, Friday, 19 September 2014 04:08 (nine years ago) link

seven years pass...

my local shop had a copy of some new Telex compilation and I decided I owed it to myself to grab it. one record is like salmon pink and the other is neon green. in other words two of the least appealing colors on the planet. it's not really a "best of" but rather one of those anthology-like compilations that just tries to show off everything the band can do. only 4 of the 14 tracks are from the first 2 albums. it is so funny to hear Dan Lacksman sing Russell and Ron Mael's lyrics. I think these may be new mixes because "Radio Radio" (released 1984) sounds so far beyond what Kraftwerk was trying to do on Electric Cafe. They actually pulled off a beefy and sample-heavy dancefloor sound in that period that so many other artists like Devo, Numan, & Sparks couldn't capture. Side D is all covers: "The Number #1 Song in Heaven", "La Bamba" (??) and "Dear Prudence" (?????). there's also a cover of Sonny & Cher's "The Beat Goes On" at the start. it's such a weird compilation. definitely not the tracks I would've picked but I am really digging it.

frogbs, Tuesday, 21 December 2021 04:59 (two years ago) link

ok, now listening some of these side-by-side...yeah, there is definitely some extensive remixing done. reminds me a bit of the Kraftwerk 3-D stuff, the new versions are different and more modern even if it's not as easy to pinpoint exactly what has changed.

apparently Mute is going to reissue their entire catalogue. I wonder if it's all gonna get that treatment. If all of Wonderful World is remixed like this it's gonna rule.

frogbs, Tuesday, 21 December 2021 22:54 (two years ago) link


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