Good Lord, the First Ram Jam Album Is Awesome

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and before that, it was a very popular 12-inch.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, in saying that the consistency of really cool tracks on the album seemed unique for the genre, I was really just talking about '70s US hard rock in general. Again, I don't know if my assertion is true, but I'd sure like to hear other hard rock LPs that are as solid throughout as this.

K&K assert on the liner notes to the album that "Black Betty" is "not a bubble record!" I do hear it as one, though, I think partly because Dadaismus is right that K&K did hard rock stuff early on (the Lemon Pipers' Green Tambourine album ends with two hard rock tracks) and partly because blues/soul melodies were the earliest bubblegum w/ Tommy James and then you had records like "Gimme Gimme Good Lovin'" and further moves toward bubblegum within soul proper (from Jackson Five through Sylvers and stuff) and so why not hard rock, too? There's something about the structure of "Black Betty" that works as bubblegum. And the dance music element reinforces it. (I think the hi-hat in it is at least part of why it's hard as being sort of disco, btw.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

"heard as being sort of disco"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

"and so why not hard rock, too?"

yeah, why not, and we can call it glam!

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Aha, now we're getting somewhere, look Sweet fr'instance!

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Look at Sweet I mean...

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

tim, do you own any slade albums, or what?

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:20 (eighteen years ago) link

K&K were the grandpappies of glam, so it's only fitting that they would rip off their british step-children years later.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, ripping off glam ... (I actually do not own any Slade albums - are some as burnin' throughout as this?)

With Tommy James, you've got blues diatonic melodies as early as "Hanky Panky" (which was just rock and roll). And re. structure of songs, maybe if "Mony Mony" (and "Rock and Roll Part Two") are gum, then "Black Betty" is also gum.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

and the James Gang's South of Canada faux Southern rock track

As opposed to Kid Rock's North of [Windsor] Canada faux Southern rock, Frank?

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually do not own any Slade albums - are some as burnin' throughout as this?)

You gotta be kidding me. Slayed?! Slade Alive Sladest kill by stomping with boots. Play It Loud Old New Borrowed & Blue and Nobody's Fools ain't bad, either.

Kasenetz-Katz were definitely trying for mass appeal in the hard rock arena, which probably had something to with the shuffling of Ram Jam players after the first album didn't blast off quite like they wanted. Lucky us, the fortuitous accident resulted in one of the odd pleasant surprises of rock and roll. Stylistically almost completely different but still real good. And the pop shuffle of "Right On the Money" still should have been heard by as many who heard "Black Betty." Could've easily been a second single off the first album.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

That's cool; I'd like to hear 'em, George. For whatever reason, living in Southern California (and having grown up here), I almost never seem to see old Slade LPs around.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

(Ram Jam = really good throughout, though, just to reassert!)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

But Kid Rock wasn't on the Hazzard soundtrack.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Y'll might be overthinking this one a bit, I think. Ram Jam was just a pretty cool boogie band who had their amps turned up a little louder than the others. Most of their brethren didn't manage to have a hit the size of "Black Betty" 'neitter. But they weren't much different than Nantucket, Black Spirit, the eary non-prog Demon stuff, I'll bet groups that I haven't listened to in ages (and some, at all) that xhuxk put in his metal book qualify here as well. The stuff inspired early Motorhead, early Priest (Rocka Rolla)... In fact, I think that "'70s Boogie Metal" can be a genre unto itself.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Caveat: I only own the Ram Jam "best of" disc which I think does sample all of the band's works but also has the limitations of selective samples inherent in compilations.

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Cool, I don't know Nantucket, Black Spirit or Demon. Can't help but imgaine that the LP isn't "just a pretty cool boogie band," though. They had a real spark and it's there on every song.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not commenting on the quality. I actually like Ram Jam, even the non-hits. It just seemed that some were making the band out to be some kind of revelatory group tapping into some specific-to-them genre or something and I wouldn't go that far. There was a scene of like-minded groups at the time, I think - but I wasn't there so I gleam this from hindsight. Maybe those who were there never heard a Grand Funk connection between them all...

Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

anybody dig on the Good Rats?

doodaa, Friday, 10 March 2006 08:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Occasionally. Tasty and the one with Takin' It to Detroit on it. The Good Rats were goofs but the classic LI bar band. "Fred Upstairs and Ginger Snappers" -- boy, now there's a joke. Wrote the theme song for the Catholic priesthood, "900 Boys" as in the chorus line guaranteed never to be played on radio, "I slept with 900 boys."

Very much an acquired taste unless you saw them live regularly, at which point you probably thought they were the greatest thing ever. Especially after 8 beers.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Friday, 10 March 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Both LPs are compiled on that ubiquitous German collection, strangely (tho accurately) called "The Very Best Of..."

picked this up for $12 and after two listens have to say: GREAT! don't know which I like better, trax 1-10 (the Bartlett lineup)are unique countryrock/metallic/bubbleglam, while trax 11-20 are highenergy popmetal...it's all good. "Too Bad On Your Birthday" is definitely my favorite song, like glitter-encrusted farmboyzz covering T Rex while wearing flannell shirts & platform shoes.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 6 May 2006 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

" I've always been baffled by that strange edit near the beginning of "Black Betty" - the way the song's first 30 seconds or so is spliced in to repeat itself just after the first verse. Kinda like "Run Lola Run" or something. Very peculiar; I wonder why that was done?

apparently it was edited from an earlier version by Bartlett's band between the Lemon Pipers and Ram Jam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I73T5EJmaS4

p cool but i think i like the Ram Jam version better.

|citation needed| (will), Thursday, 29 August 2013 23:06 (ten years ago) link

Wow! That's crazy, I had no idea. I like this version, though it really doesn't lend itself to playing over the end credits of college sports radio.

bioethical technothriller (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 30 August 2013 05:49 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

Playing Rayman the other day, and Black Betty makes a guest appearance. In all seriousness, I think this is the definitive version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yOEuOuhINc

dlp9001, Monday, 8 December 2014 00:52 (nine years ago) link

seven months pass...

"It's such a fine line between a rut and a groove..."

a poetic ODE to FORNICATION (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 1 August 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link


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