Beer in the new era

http://www.dogfish.com/brewings/video/palosanto.htm

wow this stuff!!

did we havea thread already talking about burkhard bilger's piece in the nyer food issue? my corner store bro says they've been moving quite a bit more DH product since. "who reads the new yorker?" internet, dogg.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/11/24/081124fa_fact_bilger?currentPage=all

+ budweiser american ale. I tried this (like, the free sample tumbler they give you at the bar, because it was on draft at one of our locals) and it's really not that far a stretch from a regular sam adams. I see two outcomes for this:

1. when I go to ballgames, there is an outside chance that one of the roaming hawkers will have something in his or her tub that I might deign to drink, since everything's $7 anyway and really fuck roaming around the tunnels to find the one or two kiosks selling IPA in plastic cups

2. bud drinkers in the boonies might try it, like it, and then end up moving on to drinking anheuser-busch's competition - real sam, or whatever other stronger stuff than the weaksauce american pilsner that's everywhere.

I really don't see anybody who's already drinking sierra nevada or whatever deciding that all of a sudden this stuff is their preferred adult beverage. the distribution oligopoly and consistency of output are the pillars of busch-inbev/millercoors' dominance - trying to get a wedge in against craft brews (cf michelob's new wide range of stuff nobody cares about) is a rather ridiculous misunderstanding of your role in the marketplace

(the best point in the bilger article, which I think is made by Garrett Oliver from Brooklyn, is how this is all the fault of Prohibition - I'm personally biased in favor of any argument that blames stuff that sucks on bad legislation made by stuck-up churck dickheads, but it seems quite valide - that a whole generation of Americans grew up not knowing what a real drink could taste like, and therefore the wussiest of frothy pisswater beers around became the common denominator)

(apparently a single serving of palo santo marron is plenty enough to fuck up yours truly's typing)

the (now award winning! etc etc) barons black wattle ale comes highly recommended from me

what is the preferred cooper's offering for winter months? I realize it is brewed in opposite country but I'm looking for something a little more amenable during these terrible, awful, no good very bad months

i don't really drink coopers much so hard to say - their stout and brown ale are both very nice though and would be winter-appropriate

that article is terrific--there is/was a big storm brewin over on the beeradvocate forums cause oliver felt like he was misquoted (or not properly contextualized) w/r/t his quote about hops and salt. the writer shows up to defend himself, and so does calagione, just to bask in the glory i guess.

its funny because i dont think oliver was particularly poorly represented--he sort of comes off like a pompous ass, but like a smart, and basically right, pompous ass. calagione just looks like a fun bro to hang around with which is probably why the article is about him (also wacky beers are way more fun to write about)

http://beeradvocate.com/forum/read/1632647

awesome link thanks max!!

It's true, I do find the term "extreme beer" to be irredeemably pejorative. That's my opinion. You are welcome to yours. We won't be discussing it here yet again - that would be boring.

garrett oliver rules

fingers xd that bilger decides to make a book out of brewery stories

is it hard to find dogfish in places that arent near delaware

I am drinking beer in the new era

grolsch weizen is my shit recently. not as tart as erdinger, not as banana-ry as franziskaner, just so crisp and rich and endlessly drinkable. the best wheat beer i think.

I live 2,636 miles from the Dogfish Head brewery and can always get the basic ones.

Dogfish is in Delaware? I'm picturing this brewery in between of a bunch of fake nominal bank offices.

is it hard to find dogfish in places that arent near delaware

― eman cipation s1ocklamation (max), Wednesday, December 24, 2008 4:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no its all over

I finally had a chance to try Leinie's Fireside Nut Brown the other night at a party, and I am not feeling it. Way too sweet for my taste. I think Leinie's is doing this with all their "boutique" beers, though, upping the HFCS content and making them almost an alcopop to increase sales among the masses. Original is still unfadeable, though, imo.

I had a Boulder Brewing Co. "Hazed and Infused" dry-hopped ale at the same party, and it was pretty good. Horrible hippy-dippy tie-dyed label design, though.

dogfishhead is some srsly ghastly shit and epitomize everything thats wrong w/the world pretty much

guys no one sells dogfish anywhere in minnesota :(

i asked the beer store guy about it and he said that dogfish head had some beef with their MN distributor (since gone out of business) and has basically refused to do business with anyone in the state ever since

what the hell

u r so rong, jho, i am questioning our relationship

dogfishhead is some srsly ghastly shit and epitomize everything thats wrong w/the world pretty much

― ice cr?m, Sunday, December 28, 2008 1:49 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

botched trolling attempts #34

microbrews generally and in particular this dogfishhead poop are on some no style bro culture bullshit completely - yah just throw some more ingredients in there bra good idea - the new yorker article on this fool made me puke over n over

srsly xp

challop-y

this is like the time you said you would never step in the smoke joint because they had a dish called "brooklyn wings"

look @ how fucking hideous their packaging is http://www.jaygaulard.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/dogfish-head-chicory-stout.jpg

fuk these no taste fools

no style bro culture bullshit

beer marketing 101

the smoke joint and dogfishhed inhabit exactly the same 0% artistry 100% bad ideas niche

ya, thats why i said its like that time

have u ever considered that.... u mad?

i am totally mad at things like this yes

I'd venture that 95% of microbrew packaging is horribly ugly, you gotta get over that or you'll never drink anything. Though the Boulder Brewing Co. stuff is like the worst of the worst - I can get over stupid weed references or tie-dyed shit but not both at once.

also 95% of the beer inside tastes bad

WTF is "Wet hop"? Some new rap subgenre?

http://www.sierranevada.com/beers/harvest.html

i don't mind the dogfishhead IPAs, but i'd rather drink stone. the raisin d'etre beer by dfh is AWFUL and turned me away from trying any of their other whacky brews.

my fave ipa - http://www.accent-art.com/RACER5B.gif

jho just curious what beers do you like?

ice cr?m, your distaste for their packaging is awesome, especially after this quote from that article:

He designs many of Dogfish’s labels and cites Andy Warhol and Coco Chanel as inspirations—“that fusion of commercialism and art."

I have printed that article out to read on a ten hour flight. I am now worried it will throw me into a fit of rage and that I should chuck it out.

hey caek--the articles does follow the dogfish guy cause hes the lol wackiest brewmaster but it does provide other opinions such as that of the guy from brooklyn breweries and honestly even tho theyre very hit and miss in the opinion of many including this poster when dogfish is on theyre on and all in all its quite well written article imo and probably will not throw you into a fit of rage unless you have very strong opinions about which beer companies deserve to be written about in the new yorker which is obviously a ridiculous thing to have an opinion about.

its funny i pretty much agreed w/the brooklyn guys pov except his beer sux and displays too the bad qualities he criticizes dogfishguy for

i dont know about annoying philosophical positions behind these beers i just know when i buy the 90 min. it tastes good + i get a buzz pretty quick

jhoice cr?m just curious what beers do you like?

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mostly imports bro - tho obv theres some mircobrews that dont conform to the classically american aspiration more is more

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c72/tong1/paulanerhefeweizen1.jpg

check out this wholesome celebration happening on the paulaner hefeweizen label - some days i like to gaze deeply and imagine myself there - one of my fav beers btw

http://i42.tinypic.com/dqk5jk.gif

this pinkus pils is slammin!

http://i43.tinypic.com/33c44dh.jpg

i like this microbrew called hennepin - its creamy and delicious

pffft
midas touch, punkin ale, pangaea and the palo santo marron are all pretty excellent beers imo (black and blue, raison detre bleccchhhh though)
brooklyn brewery is generally more so-so, nothing to write home about. Their lager recipe needs a re-tooling I think

the best beer I drank over christmas was this
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/30/43903
and we found some Cooper's Vintage at a new DC bottle-o and had it fedexed to TN
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/491/3624/
also very delicious

some other really excellent beers I had over the holidays was a tecate that had been in the fridge for who knows how long, a gennessee cream ale because nobody had seen that stuff in like years, some fordham beers and of course grolsch in the stopper bottles and tetleys in the widget cans.
I need to track down this "grolsch weizen."