Jeff OTM re this story with "RAGE" and
The thing that annoys me most is the article just contributes to the unfair vilification of processed food and the perpetuates the idea that natural = better.
Most people are going to disagree with me on that. I wish I had more time to argue on the internet about it.
― Jeff, Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:56 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
― also, that Christmas tree has a dildo on its head (Jesse), Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually, I'm more "rage" than "RAGE."
― also, that Christmas tree has a dildo on its head (Jesse), Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Also, one of those folks was a vegan who was feeding her dog a vegan diet.
― also, that Christmas tree has a dildo on its head (Jesse), Thursday, 20 January 2011 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link
im curious to hear the defense of processed foods
― *gets the power* (deej), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
me too
― get off my lawn (rockapads), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:15 (thirteen years ago) link
the defense is this, at least as i've heard it proposed by a scientist friend of mine: it's just molecules. whether you get glucose from an organic apple or from an apple-flavored microwaveable tart, it's still just glucose.
kinda misses some of the nuances (both of the argument, and of nutrition, in general), but i think that's what some ppl would suggest
― ullr saves (gbx), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link
and presumably the pros are: it's cheap and cheap stuff is better because there are poor people.
fwiw i think these ppl are dead wrong, but w/e
― ullr saves (gbx), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link
It's not so much a defense of process foods as a challenge to the unexamined notion that organic or "natural" is inherently better, and the usually equally unquestioning resistance to the green revolution.
― also, that Christmas tree has a dildo on its head (Jesse), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
There is a whole clusterfuck section about this in the "opinions that make you want to leave a conversation" thread.
― ullr saves (gbx), Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:20 PM Bookmark
Well I think the point is not the glucose but rather all the stuff you're not getting from the apple tart and all the extra bad stuff you are getting.
Not to say that processed is per se worse. I mean I don't think there's much difference between eating white sugar, sugar in the raw, honey or agave nectar -- it's all pretty much pure sugar and all stuff you should eat as little of as possible.
― hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sbgFFtKDrI
― omar little, Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I wish I had more time to argue on the internet about it.
You don't hear this every day!
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
I think processed foods are cool as long as they're not pumped full of salt and hfcs to keep up their flavor and preserve them. Better flash freezing techniques and SCIENCE are helping people make frozen and ready-to-make foods that are closer to their original nutritional content and I can still microwave and eat them quickly so they're a-ok with me.
I also enjoy cooking, but sometimes, I just want to eat some microwaved junk.
― sectarian chicken (mh), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
― hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:34 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this isnt entirely true w/ agave nectar its not going to spike your blood sugar -- low glycemic index
― *gets the power* (deej), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:52 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean i dont take 'no processed foods' as a strict rule but as a general guideline that if u eat food that isnt processed then u have a pretty good idea of what u are getting in it. ive never had an apple that turned out to have 800 mg of salt, but i have had soup like that -- oooops
― *gets the power* (deej), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
the glucose in an apple also interacts with all the other things you're getting in that apple, whereas the apple-flavored PopTart you're just getting sugar without fiber or other nutrients, no?
― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Thursday, 20 January 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link
yes. the fiber in fruit also cushions the sugar rush iirc. i mean a glass of orange juice is way worse for u that way than just eating an orange, its like the sugar of 8 oranges combined
― *gets the power* (deej), Thursday, 20 January 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link
Better flash freezing techniques and SCIENCE are helping people make frozen and ready-to-make foods that are closer to their original nutritional content and I can still microwave and eat them quickly so they're a-ok with me.
This gets to the heart of my problem with the Luddite movement that indiscriminately discredits advances in food processing and agricultural technology because of imperfections in those developments. Particularly when the push for organic/local/small/"natural" is at odds with advances that have improved crop yields, which reduces problems with malnutrition, starvation, poverty, etc.
― also, that Christmas tree has a dildo on its head (Jesse), Thursday, 20 January 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link
didnt we have another thread about this?
― max, Thursday, 20 January 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I think that a discussion about processed food in the context of pet food kind of blurs the issue. The primary problem with lots of store-bought pet food isn't how it is made, but the ingredients that are used, which more often than not include lots of stuff that is just disgusting and would be criminal to put in even the cheapest processed human food.
― Moodles, Thursday, 20 January 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Particularly when the push for organic/local/small/"natural" is at odds with advances that have improved crop yields, which reduces problems with malnutrition, starvation, poverty, etc.
I have to mumble a lot about this part and can't pretend to be impartial since I work for an ag company with a huge research department who pretty much work on increased yield/drought tolerance/etc. all day.
― sectarian chicken (mh), Thursday, 20 January 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
On another note, have you guys seen some of the crazy-ass pet foods that are available now? I bought something named "chicken and lobster" food for my cat and the ingredients list say it's actually lobster! Presumably that means some part of a real lobster and not that langostino ruse that LJS and the like get away with.
― sectarian chicken (mh), Thursday, 20 January 2011 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.wellnesspetfood.com/images/Prod-Cat/product-lg-cat-can-completehealth-chicken-lobster.png
― sectarian chicken (mh), Thursday, 20 January 2011 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link
ah this is the one i was thinking about: Shallow, Pedantic Complaints People Make That Drive You Insane
― max, Thursday, 20 January 2011 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
lotta good stuff on that thread
― max, Thursday, 20 January 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh, that was the thread. I thought it was the "opinions when expressed" one. What a good time was had by all in the "shall, pedantic complaints" thread.
― also, that Christmas tree has a dildo on its head (Jesse), Thursday, 20 January 2011 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link
was this already posted
http://www.theawl.com/2011/01/the-most-emailed-new-york-times-article-ever
― Princess TamTam, Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link
wonder how much parents emailing that to their kids correlates w/ like, xbox sales
― *gets the power* (deej), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link
was about to post that, xpost
― hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link
ha that's great
― iatee, Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link
nubian ibex
― nubian ibex (get bent), Thursday, 20 January 2011 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link
"and, like an increasing number of American teenagers, teaching her dog to use an iPad."
― tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
a number of teenagers, increasing
well the ipad's only been around for like a year, so the number would pretty much have to be increasing
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
"(Williams, Anna's last name, is a portmanteau of her parents' surnames.)"
― bing, Thursday, 20 January 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't really have any problems with this review but it's just funny to me that they describe scott ian as "young"
http://movies.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/movies/21roundup-LEMMY_RVW.html?src=twr
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 20 January 2011 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link
/ I wish I had more time to argue on the internet about it./You don't hear this every day!
I know, right? Rest assured, I'd be right here arguing with all of you if I was unemployed.
― Jeff, Thursday, 20 January 2011 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link
that awl post is incrediblolz
― bernard snowy, Friday, 21 January 2011 03:06 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/nyregion/19about.html?_r=2&ref=nyregion
apparently murray hill is starting to lose its coolness
― iatee, Friday, 21 January 2011 03:13 (thirteen years ago) link
love that awl post
― just sayin, Friday, 21 January 2011 10:07 (thirteen years ago) link
that awl post needed a little more bieber
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 21 January 2011 10:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Indeed, whenever she is asked where she lives, Ms. Katz answers Murray Hill, “but I say it with a sarcastic tone because I’m making fun of myself.”
classic!
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 21 January 2011 10:35 (thirteen years ago) link
worst generation ever!
http://zeitgeistfilms.com/billcunninghamnewyork/trailer.html
― max, Friday, 21 January 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
tho, i love bill cunningham
Man, me 10 years ago would hate that so much, and me now thinks it looks at least alright.
― hey boys, suppers on me, our video just went bacterial (Hurting 2), Saturday, 22 January 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
This unfocused superficial story (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/23/fashion/weddings/23FIELD.html?hp) actually asks whether Prince WIlliam is getting married now because his rapidly receding hairline could soon lose him his heartthrob status. Never once brings up the fact that, you know, being heir to the throne of England might work to his dating advantage, hair or no hair.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 January 2011 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link
that movie looks awesome xp
― dayo, Saturday, 22 January 2011 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
"Winner Best First Documentary, Abu Dhabi Film Festival."
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 January 2011 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
^real award!
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 January 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link