"Falling Down" with Michael Douglas was on telly last night - what do you make of this film?

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One of those Batmans he did was saved by Jim Carrey, and Val Kilmer's lips.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Naw, "DC Cab" wasn't half-bad either.

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 13:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i always mean to revive that michael douglas thread. i still think his role (and roles) all the time.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link

My view on the character changed whilst watching it last night (having seen it once before quite a long time ago). I wondered how much the film maker agreed with this character or how much he expects his audience to relate with him.

Granted, It was great watching the guy blow stuff up but then slightly disturbing/suspect yet compelling when he says stuff like "You come to my country and then you charge me 80 cents for a soda" and telling people how to speak English etc."

At the same time the character claims he is not a Nazi, but maybe he is and just doesn't realise it or that maybe he's just not that much into gas masks and stuff. I was wondering if some of the different characters could represent political standpoints in this film.

My flatmate commented that "Yes, it's out of order going round blowing things up but in a number of cases I'd feel a bit pissed off with some of the things going on". He cited the thugs who try to mug Douglas and also the restaurant scene in particular. I felt as though it wasn't justified. It isn't a man's god given right to be allowed a breakfast burger at a certain time of the day; there is no rule that says you shouldn't pay more than x amount of money for a drink of coke. If you don't like it then go somewhere else or go straight to the root. It's not the gappy manager's fault they can't sell breakfast after a certain time, it's his boss's - so complain to McDonalds instead of making a scene.

Michael Douglas is a customer services nightmare, a horrible "I wanna speak to the manager" twunt who throws his toys out the pram when he doesn't get his way. Sure, it's funny and that may be the point but I'm discounting this for now, Falling Down being not necessarily a comedy.

Going back to the political agenda, I had a feeling that the Douglas character represented some kind of extreme Republicanism gone mad. He may not be a Nazi, but he gets mad at all the wrong people; telling tramps to get a job or blowing the shit out of a diner just because of the restaurant policy dictated by higher authorities. He is basically taking all his aggression out on the little man or every day life, which could well be the point of the film of course.

As the film progressed, my view of the film changed slightly, mostly because D-Fens' (Douglas) character is said to have had "issues" in the past. This kind of ruins the film as someone said upthread. Suddenly all of the previous violence becomes pointless seeing as D-Fens is just some nutter who is having a bad day. I would have preferred it if he was just a normal guy with an agenda.

More thoughts later. Sorry it's skewed but the phone keeps ringing.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link

try to imagine an english 'falling down'. maybe we're so used to americans blowing shit up that we kind of accept all this. but if they made a film where, i dunno, ian macshane got out of his car in a jam on junction road, shot up a greasy spoon and bullied some hoody-wearing immigrants, no amount of "oh there was downsizing in the early 1990s" would make it okay. you would read the movie as 'death wish vii' or something. in a sense 'taxi driver' is even worse because it's so intoxicating. at least 'falling down' *looks* like late night tv and you can treat it more harshly. the best you can say for the films is they know *something* is wrong, but they provide almost no framework you could understand the situation in other than that provided by the protags: ie a more-or-less racist conclusion. the lack of critical distance in 'taxi driver' makes for exciting viewing, however.

N_RQ, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I liked this film, it's not an all time great but I kinda enjoy the LA summer theme that goes on in the background while the shits hitting the fan.

Though it was rather fuzzy on whether you were supposed to be sympathetic with Douglas at any time, I personally couldn't find myself to be at all. The plain fact that his ex-wife didn't want anything to do with him and there appeared to be no love lost at the end confirmed this for me.

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

The thing is, Schumacher's made so many flicks, there has to be at least one flick that's enjoyable on a level besides the Razzie-wannabe one. Phone Booth? Veronica Guerin? Tigerland? This one?

Have you seen Flawless? I think it's quite good, though not, er, flawless. It has a perfect P. S. Hoffmann performance and Robert de Niro in one of the few interesting roles he's had in the last ten years. Phone Booth is also surprisingly good, it's sort of a modern morality play in the form of a thriller.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Though it was rather fuzzy on whether you were supposed to be sympathetic with Douglas at any time, I personally couldn't find myself to be at all. The plain fact that his ex-wife didn't want anything to do with him and there appeared to be no love lost at the end confirmed this for me.

It's interesting because I start off the film wondering whether I'm supposed to be sympathetic towards this guy. His rants are earnest and coherent (despite being completely wrong) to begin with but I can't bring myself to agree with him. By the end of the film, any sympathy I had was gone. The bit at the end where he asks "So I'M the bad guy?", you kindof think that there's going to be some big point made but there isn't.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember Tigerland being pretty damn good.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Phone Booth is also surprisingly good, it's sort of a modern morality play in the form of a thriller.

It's very similar to Falling Down in the way that it's about someone taking a tiny little grudge against the way people go about their daily business and then thinking it's justified to use lots of weapons to demonstrate that point.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:10 (eighteen years ago) link

The bit at the end where he asks "So I'M the bad guy?",

Oh yeah I'd forgotten about this 10 pound sledge hammer of a line.

Also there was always this 'I just want to get home, to see my family' overlay of emotional blackmail from Douglas which added to the confusion of his characters innocence. I just couldn't help but end up thinking 'hang on a minute the guys a menace!' ARREST HIM THIS INSTANCE!

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Because he is! He's not only a menace and a bully but he also gets pissed off when other people interfere with him, so that makes him a hypocrit as well. Throw in a whole bunch of racism and ignorance and you've got a properly hatable character.
This is why I remain kind of hot and cold about the film. I love him blowing stuff up and the plot is good but it is the motives and the characters which are sketchy. I wonder if this was intentional?

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_12026391

just sayin, Tuesday, 31 March 2009 13:45 (fifteen years ago) link

a pissed-off yuppie wandering around L.A. trying it

loooool

the worst breed of fong (some dude), Tuesday, 31 March 2009 13:51 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

(It was...)

Mark G, Thursday, 16 December 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link

traffic in l.a. is the worst but still not so bad that walking across the city will get you there quicker. *shakes head sadly*

omar little, Thursday, 16 December 2010 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link

When that movie came at in 1993, anxiety about corporate downsizing and immigration/affirmative action was starting to reach a real fever pitch. The economy was in the middle of a "jobless recovery" and Ward Connerly et al were just starting to get a lot of national notice. It's pretty interesting when viewed through that historical prism.

Uh oh, I think it's time for Falling Down II.

Josefa, Friday, 17 December 2010 04:51 (thirteen years ago) link

five years pass...

this movie is only good if you don't watch it with other people

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 27 July 2016 23:08 (seven years ago) link


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