Human League, classic or dud?

I think this live video of "Human" from 2001 is pretty much the dope:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw341LDpomI

I mean you've got the brunette, you've got the blonde, you've got him. What else do you need?

Doesn't anyone care how much I love this song?

Man, the song "Human" - such a beautiful series of melodies

as much as 13 year old in me is pleased that the girls continued to dress and wear makeup like that well into 2001, honestly it's a bit embarassing

Leave your cornflakes in your freezers,
leave your chocolates and your cheeses.
Give to Ceaser what is Caeser's,
Give your soul what'er it pleases

God, I love this band, Happily I love this single too, the 30 second fade out is just synthpop heaven.

Excellent long article.

Gather up your skirts and trousers
Put on your best frocks and blouses
Time to go our from your houses
Must we creep round like the mouses?

Damn, quite excellent indeed.

I'm having a listen to Reproduction now, and something that's always mystified me about the track 'Austerity/Girl One'... is the part when Oakey sings "you're a lonely little girl" an intentional Zappa reference (to the song 'Lonely Little Girl' on We're Only In It For The Money? It's the same melody and everything!

Never noticed that before, however Martyn Ware was/is a Zappa fan and picked out "Peaches en Regalia" when he was on BBC R6 a few years ago playing his influences etc.

I just discovered that Ian Craig Marsh did some of the programming on Right Said Fred's 'I'm Too Sexy'... hahaha... what the fuck?

Nice tidbit haha!

I'd like to read Thomas R. Fischer's post from 13 years ago, but I'm physically unable to look at it for more than a few seconds at a time.

The "Human" 12 inch has been in the stack nearest the turntable and I've listened to it on the reg recently. I know it's considered by many to be a real dud, but I just love that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis production so much. Presets never sounded so moody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X58g1HKxXPo

Like that's making the rounds. It's by V/Vm.

No love at all for "Fascination"? I think it's one of the great dance singles.

As soon as I saw this thread pop up, I knew why. Cocktail Bar is my current favorite song. It's some kind of weird masterpiece. Plus it's a trenchant takedown of the economic circumstances that hinder upward mobility. Which explains why she'll always be working as a waitress in a cocktail bar.

xpost. The 12 inch/mini-album "Fascination!" is my favourite thing they released.

As soon as I saw this thread pop up, I knew why. Cocktail Bar is my current favorite song. It's some kind of weird masterpiece. Plus it's a trenchant takedown of the economic circumstances that hinder upward mobility. Which explains why she'll always be working as a waitress in a cocktail bar.

It's sheer genius. 'I guess this is what I must do'

The "Human" 12 inch has been in the stack nearest the turntable and I've listened to it on the reg recently. I know it's considered by many to be a real dud, but I just love that Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis production so much. Presets never sounded so moody.

Nobody here does!

"Fascination" is my favorite Human League song by a jillion miles.

Almost every song they recorded between 1981 and 1983 was so good and original that I could vote for anything tbh

and Crash had loads of good bits. I like this one, not written by Jam-Lewis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdpbXaeFnHU

No love at all for "Fascination"? I think it's one of the great dance singles.

― hardcore dilettante, Friday, July 31, 2015 6:47 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I love it!

Basically I love pretty much everything they did from the beginning up until '(Keep Feeling) Fascination'... Hysteria was patchy, but had its moments, and I like the odd song here and there after that, but not the albums in full.

Reproduction is probably the album I play the most.

Crash should be re-named Gash, although either title is fitting.

appreciate cocktail bar

Getting rid of Martin Rushent was probably one of the worst decisions The Human League ever made.

Doubt the album would have been amazing with Rushent at the controls either - the songs are pretty weak. Not sure how much he knocked their stuff into shape but you can't polish a turd as they say.

Interesting to consider who would have been a better alternative choice for producer for Crash? Trevor Horn (no), Stephen Hague (possibly)...

It would have been interesting to hear what a Trevor Horn-produced Human League album would have turned out like, him and Rushent seemed to tackle production from completely different ways. Martin Rushent once famously said: "In my experience, the longer you spend making a piece of music, the more likely it is to be a pile of shit! Stuff that's written, organised and put down very quickly seems to have an energy" - whereas Horn legendarily liked to labour over everything for months and months.

...says the guy who edited the League Unlimited Orchestra disc by hand for, like, months.

If Love and Dancing contains as many tape edits as Rushent claims, then I'm not surprised!

Not sure how much he knocked their stuff into shape but you can't polish a turd as they say.

Compare the demo of Don't You Want Me to the version of the song that everyone knows, and you'll understand exactly the difference that a great producer makes.

Let me help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o19RDxjoZ6w

the definitive Rushent interview is in Simon Reynolds' book.

Yeah, it's amazing how the big intro hook was originally the bassline of the bridge(!)

Not saying Rushent is not important to the Human League - he was! Would love to hear eg. "Party" produced by him. But it's not like everything he touched turned to gold. He was quite capable of producing patchy albums by great bands who were not delivering good songs or performances - eg. The last batch of Buzzcocks releases prior to their breakup in 1980.

They were low on ideas without Jo Callis, who contributed a lot imo and Wright, who apparently didn't do much.

Basically they were not in a place to deliver a decent album at this point and I doubt Rushent would've changed that much.

Yeah, Callis did a hell of a lot on Dare - Ian Burden, too.

>>Like that's making the rounds. It's by V/Vm.

Is it really?
http://www.vice.com/read/the-guy-who-remixed-human-leagues-dont-you-want-me-is-working-on-a-remix-to-aquas-barbie-girl-0804

A shimmering, ardent review from Brad - everything I live for in music writing.
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/the-human-league-dare/

That's a great piece! Putting it on again now.

thanks y'all! sort of a miracle i ever finished it, thank you for reading

Yeah, really enjoyed this piece. Haven't listened to the albums since Astralwerks reissued them almost 15 years ago, but your version tracks with my memories.

Yeah, great stuff, Brad, thanks.

Yep, props, Brad!

that really is an exemplary piece, kudos

Rushent would listen to the rough mixes of Dare songs when he returned home from the studio and couldn’t figure out whether the album they were making was brilliant or terrible.

Remember having the same thought when they first performed 'The Sound of the Crowd' on Top of the Pops. 'Genetic Engineering' by OMD would also produce the same baffled reaction from my friends at school, before we finally decided on 'brilliant' for both tracks.

Would love to see it expanded into a 33 1/3 book. Just such an extraordinary story; loses the key talent in the band, recruits two schoolgirls and a couple of refugees from post-punk bands and ends the year with a decade defining commercial and critical success.

Yeah it's an incredible story, looking forward to reading this. I always wondered if it was true that the sleeves were painted white, twice over so the cover stood out next to the other records. Certainly sounds good.

Wow, Brad. Superb.

I think I first learned the extent of Rushent's involvement in Reynolds' Rip It Up and Start Again.

As I said above, I think that "Don't You Want Me" is the perfect example of the difference that a great producer can make to a band's fortunes. I'd been thinking about the subject again recently after happening across a fascinating interview with Jo Callis. Although he was an accomplished guitarist, he recalled that he knew so little about keyboards on his arrival in Sheffield, that Martyn Ware took pity on him and brought him to a music store to buy a "piano chords illustrated" book. (Incidentally, I think it says much for Ware's good nature that he helped out a newcomer who was aligned with the "opposing" camp.)
This is not to deny the originality or creativity of the band members, but none of them had the anything like the technical ability to have refined DYWM into the world-beater it became. Such is Oakey's vocal charisma that it wasn't until I heard the song in an instrumental form (via the Love and Dancing remix), that its musical complexity jumped out at me. It's a mosaic of interlocking parts which must have been a true labour of love to sequence together with the technology of the era. In a time before DAWs and synthesiser presets, when every sound had to be set up from scratch, somebody needed to be able to imagine the song's entire structure in their head in order to bring it into existence. My guess is that the visionary was Martin Rushent!

Jo Callis was brought in for his pop songwriting track record rather than as a musician presumably. He wrote almost all the Rezillos songs including their big hit, and co-wrote about half of Dare including Don't You Want Me.

he was indeed hired for songwriting and just kind ended up joining the band

i had that detail in my piece but it got lost between drafts