Buzzcocks: Classic or Dud

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I loved this band until they got back together!
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wutchootawkinboutwillis (wutchootawkinboutwillis), Friday, 21 February 2003 05:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wanna re-open the drummer debate, Ned? Actually no need, Maher's the best power-punk-pop drummer of all.

Just as long as Clem Burke has equal footing.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Friday, 21 February 2003 07:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
Buzzcocks documentary on radio 2. available on Radio On Demand thing for next 5 days or so:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/documentaries/buzzcocks.shtml

(beware: contains Paul Morley)

koogs (koogs), Monday, 9 August 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate this band. They sound just like Blink 182 and Simple Plan.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 9 August 2004 12:41 (nineteen years ago) link

:(((((((((((((((

what Buzzcocks are you listening to?

comme personne (common_person), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Heh, I *like* early Soup Dragons! "Whole Wide World" is a friggin' great song.

But yeah, Buzzcocks = ultra fucking classic. I just got the reissue of Singles Going Steady with Parts 1,2,3 tacked onto it, yum.

poopy pants, Monday, 9 August 2004 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Absolute total, capital "C", Classic

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 9 August 2004 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link

So classic it hurts. The Sex Pistols or the Saints may have been better bands (debatable), but within the realm of "punk" music there is no finer LP than Singles Going Steady. Who'd have thought that punk could be informed by pop/psychedelia/Krautrock and thrive? I love how "Orgasm Addict" and a few others throw in the occasional weird 7/8 time signature, just so they can hack through a tangled thicket of syllables and arrive at an unforgettable chorus just that much quicker. "Why Can't I Touch It?" could almost pass for a punk version of "Thank You For Talking To Me Africa". As for being a bad influence, maybe; but they were also a GOOD influence on Husker Du, which is alright by me. And Maher was indeed one hell of a drummer. I have a new favourite every time - last time it was "Boredom", next time "I Don't Mind." (Or make that "I Don't Mi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yind"!)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 9 August 2004 23:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I found that BBC2 documentary quite boring and depressing, it might have been because I was tired and it ended with them still being together and had Mark Lamarr being vaguely dismissive towards Howudd.

I can't believe Maher had only been playing drums for a few months when he joined. I was listening to What Do I Get recently to program it into a drum machine and expecting it to be quite easy and simplistic. Damn near made my brain bleed.

Fergal (Ferg), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone who says "dud" should be repeatedly punched in the trachea.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:54 (nineteen years ago) link

He has the vote, readers. He is allowed to have children.

Jaz Coleman would have had none of it.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 07:23 (nineteen years ago) link

poopy - they've just released another singles collection, including stuff after the reunion. stick with your copy of Singles Going Steady tho - have bought that album several times, giving copies away and losing copies, and its *still* perfect.

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I listened to that Radio 2 documentary. The second half of the story was very depressing, as such histories usually tend to be. I mean I know they've all got to earn a living and reforming the Buzzcocks is probably better than signing on, but all that "a new age was about to start for the band as they found a new rhythm section in long-time fans Tom Cobbles and Norman Spinchter (or whatever they were called)" spin couldn't hide the probability that they really should have chucked it in back in '79. Also typical of Radio 2 that Devoto/A Different Kind Of Tension/Buzzkunst should have got comparatively short shrift, and indeed that Shelley's proto-electronica album from '74 (Sky Saw?) was not mentioned at all. But Morley on the "The" was priceless.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Lipstick. No-one's mentioned it yet so I will. Awesome tune. And a Devoto/Shelley crossbreeding guitar lick for Shot By Both Sides by Magazine later too.

beanz (beanz), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 08:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"(Sky Saw?)"

It was Sky Yen IIRC.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 09:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah I thought it was. Blue cover. "Sky Saw"'s an Eno song.

The doc also asserted that the reason why "Homosapien" wasn't the massive hit it should have been in '82 was because the BBC sniffed at the line "homo superior in my interior," interpreted it as meaning buggery and thereupon banned it. But IIRC it was pretty well played to death all over the radio at the time. Certainly should have been a hit.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 09:37 (nineteen years ago) link

another vote for Lipstick. i love that song so much...

i spent a weird evening with Diggle and pete shelley's irish nephew, who was now in the band, a few years back. a bunch of us went back to a friend's house after a lift to experience show, taking the band with us (steve and i had photographed/interviewed the band for Careless Talk that afternoon). we went via the marathon bar, a great all-night kebab place in chalk farm that sells beer and spirits after hours, and somehow Diggle and the kid tagged along, though they were drunk, and the kid was mouthy. we got back to the flat, and it was a weird scene. the kid kept saying that the Lift boys were queers, and being pretty nasty. ray, the guy who's house it was, was getting agitated, wanted to clock the guy with a baseball hat. i left about 3am, it was going far beyond weird. then, about 5am, steve confronted the guy, said that all this talk about being queer had got him horny and that he was going to fuck ray then and there, and if the kid didn't want to see it he should leave now. Diggle was nice, but sad and drunk and a bit tragic.

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 09:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Pete Shelley's Irish nephew? They didn't say anything about that in the documentary, just about these two guys who were fans of theirs and knew their back catalogue backwards and ended up as their new rhythm section. I presume Shelley's nephew didn't last long in the band?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 09:49 (nineteen years ago) link

not sure... the way they were talking about it that night he was new to the band - i just assumed the line-up had changed since the reunion...

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:05 (nineteen years ago) link

"The doc also asserted that the reason why "Homosapien" wasn't the massive hit it should have been in '82 was because the BBC sniffed at the line "homo superior in my interior," interpreted it as meaning buggery and thereupon banned it. But IIRC it was pretty well played to death all over the radio at the time. Certainly should have been a hit."

"Millions Of People (No-One Like You)" and "Telephone Operator" should have been massive hits too IMHO - and they didn't contain any such questionable lyrics - so did they offer any explanation for that?!?

"Pete Shelley's Irish nephew? They didn't say anything about that in the documentary, just about these two guys who were fans of theirs and knew their back catalogue backwards and ended up as their new rhythm section. I presume Shelley's nephew didn't last long in the band?"

Since reforming with the original line-up, the only bassist they've had is Tony Barber (who also plays for Chelsea) and apart from one tour with Mike Joyce (ex Smiths, of course) I'm pretty sure the only drummer they've had is Phil Barker (who's also one of the Stratford Mercenaries and was previously in a band called Lack Of Knowledge with Tony). Neither of these are related to PS as far as I know, but I do know a guy called Joey who's been their roadie since '77 so I'll try to dig his e-mail address out and ask him!

Fwiw they've actually had the current line up for more than 10 years.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 10:49 (nineteen years ago) link

...wanted to clock the guy with a baseball hat

Easy tiger.

ledge (ledge), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 11:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I spotted that new -- and entirely needless -- double singles complilation yesterday. Who do they think is going to buy this (in the wake of all those other comps)? Stick with Singles Going Steady or even Operator's Manual (both readily available sill, I believe).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Or better still, Product.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Product may have been the best money I've spent on an overpriced import ever.

Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

product is still available for around £10, and well worth it.

stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 11:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah yes, Product! Best part of that package was the live Many Parts disc (notably for "Breakdown" and "Time's Up".

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic, DUH! i still have a mixtape with bizzcocks on side a and th esmiths side b ;classic teenage hormonage!

kephm, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, lovely lovely Product, I could go on.

One of my more bemusing claims to relative small time fame is that I think I wrote most of the Buzzcocks reviews on the AMG.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

"one of"

Red Panda Sanskrit (ex machina), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

As opposed to "none of"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 August 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

So Why Can't I Touch It?

Shiggle, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 11:17 (nineteen years ago) link

'Cos I've nothing left at all.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 11:25 (nineteen years ago) link

At all at all at all at all at all at all at all
I’ve nothing left at all.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 11:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I really do think that A Different Kind of Tension is *the best album ever*. Has it ever come out on CD apart from in the Product box?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 11:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 11:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Unfortunately it's only available as an import but if you look around you'll probably be able to find it cheaper than that.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 11:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't really want it - my vinyl is fine. I just wondered.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Did anyone buy the boxset of singles? All the early 7"s and EPs on a CD apiece with the original sleever art. Way overpriced and useless, but kind of cool looking.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

No, just all the early singles and EP's on vinyl when they first came out.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno...I got Singles Going Steady and gave up by about track four. Very disappointing for me.

Atnevon (Atnevon), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Ouch! Revive!

Interesting piece on them in this Mojo Punk Special. I envy those of you who got to see those TOTP performances, etc.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 10 April 2005 07:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Why is there even a thread about this? Barnstorming classic on every level. Singles Going Steady is non-stop awesome and doesn't even have Boredom on it, which is my favourite of their's.

Nick H (Nick H), Sunday, 10 April 2005 13:37 (nineteen years ago) link

what's wrong with the descendents?
while descendents may have spawned a slew of hateworthy bands, they themselves make genuine, unpretentious pop in the tradition of buzzcocks.

buzzcocks fans with descendents hate are like
run-dmc fans who hate public enemy. don't hate the playa, hate the game, etc...

peteshelleygoestocollege, Sunday, 10 April 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Singles Going Steady was quite a bit better upon second listen, but I'm still disappointed. It isn't that the Buzzcocks necessarily fail at anything they attempt; rather, it's that the group doesn't seem very ambitious. But that's punk rock, innit?

Blame it on X-Ray Spex.

Atnevon (Atnevon), Sunday, 10 April 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

That was the only Buzzcocks record that I ever owned and I was also not so into it. I think "Ever Fallen Love" is a really good song, but beyond that, it seemed to me that there were a lot of songs that were just okay. (It's been a long time, so maybe I'm wrong.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 10 April 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of their unfortunate influence: is it just me, or did the strokes rip their entire style from "Everybody's Happy Nowadays?" Take out the chorus and replace the vocals with Julian Casablancas's bad-cell-phone-connection singing and you get every song on "Is This It."

By the way, Buzzcock's are as classic as it gets. A little maudlin sometimes, but aren't we all.

Fa Fa fa FA, Fa fa Fa fa FA Fa (poop), Sunday, 10 April 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

oops. cocks. not cock's. cock cock cock.

Fa Fa fa FA, Fa fa Fa fa FA Fa (poop), Sunday, 10 April 2005 20:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Orgasm Addict is pretty neat. I used to think the one part was "Johnny would fuck you always and all ways / He had the energy, you were amazed." Or something like that.

Anyway, I liked my lyrics better. Call Pansy Division. If they haven't already gone to it.

Atnevon (Atnevon), Monday, 11 April 2005 04:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Is This It has a neat cover. In one nation.

Atnevon (Atnevon), Monday, 11 April 2005 04:06 (nineteen years ago) link

all this "Singles Going Steady isn't the greatest LP/CD-comp of the '70s"-talk is craziness.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 11 April 2005 04:31 (nineteen years ago) link

d'oh, forgot to post the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AekZpRkT0HM

goth colouring book (anagram), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 08:13 (nine years ago) link

I saw them in Brixton, and it was much better than that. No heaviness apparent, felt fun. Fewer guitar problems in evidence, which may be no small part of what went wrong here.

Three Word Username, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 08:48 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

current version touring US now

curmudgeon, Thursday, 4 September 2014 16:08 (nine years ago) link

These promises

The Wu-Tang Declan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:18 (nine years ago) link

Woah oh

curmudgeon, Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:46 (nine years ago) link

How could you ever

The Wu-Tang Declan (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 4 September 2014 21:58 (nine years ago) link

Down!

Mark G, Thursday, 4 September 2014 22:17 (nine years ago) link

(sorry, too early)

Mark G, Thursday, 4 September 2014 22:17 (nine years ago) link

Gonna see them tonight. Never saw 'em before and I'm passing up a chance to see Bob Mould again to do so.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 5 September 2014 07:20 (nine years ago) link

So glad I finally saw them. Excellent concert!

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Saturday, 6 September 2014 04:57 (nine years ago) link

ex+

I missed them the first time around but saw their first reunion gig, all four present and correct. Senseless Things were support, both excellent.

A perfect reunion gig, exactly as they were before they split, basically.

Mark G, Sunday, 7 September 2014 12:00 (nine years ago) link

(actually, thinking about it, their first was in Manchester but the audience response was a bit 'cool' according to Pete Shelley, so, 2nd reunion gig. Still have it on cassette)

Mark G, Sunday, 7 September 2014 12:03 (nine years ago) link

Is anyone seeing Buzzcocks at any of these shows:

13 Chicago RIOT FEST
14 Detroit St. Andrews Hall
17 Los Angeles The Fonda Theatre
18 Solana Beach, CA Belly Up
19 Denver RIOT FEST
20 Santa Ana, CA The Observatory - Bang Fest

I wanted to pick up their new CD in Philly but they sold out before the show was over and the places to get it on import are charging $25+ with shipping.

If someone going to one of those shows doesn't mind picking up a CD for me, I'll PayPal the cost + shipping to send it to me. Please email me if you can assist!

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Friday, 12 September 2014 13:27 (nine years ago) link

I saw them last night in Minneapolis, didn't even check out the merch table. Fun, fun show - a little disconcerting to see bearded, polo-shirted Pete, but they were killin' it. Diggle is my new rock hero.

Dick Clownload (Dan Peterson), Friday, 12 September 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link

Buzzcocks ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at50BIRxd5A

geordie racer, Friday, 12 September 2014 16:08 (nine years ago) link

Wait is this lineup the original four?

Colossal Propellerhead (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 September 2014 13:10 (nine years ago) link

Sorry, the original, post-DeVoto four

Colossal Propellerhead (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 September 2014 13:12 (nine years ago) link

Oh, I see, Mark G was referring to an earlier reunion.

Colossal Propellerhead (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 13 September 2014 13:13 (nine years ago) link

Diggle is my new rock hero.

Yup, it was Diggle that amazed me with his Townsendesque posturing when I saw them a few years back. Juxtaposed with a not quite sombre, (but getting there) static Shelley, blasting out gem after gem.

Great fun.

Jessie Fer Ark (Mobbed Up Ping Pong Psychos), Saturday, 13 September 2014 13:41 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

Happy birthday, Pete, 61 today!

http://www.mdmarchive.co.uk/gfx/HiRes-12335.jpg

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 April 2016 12:38 (eight years ago) link

Happy Birthday, Pete!

Freakshow At The Barn Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 April 2016 16:06 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

This band is so good.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 January 2018 01:50 (six years ago) link

Yes.

Mark G, Monday, 15 January 2018 08:03 (six years ago) link

ten months pass...

Anyone rep for the post-reunion stuff? I could go for a nice cherry picking of the best bits.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:05 (five years ago) link

Why did they break up after A Different Kind of Tension? Never heard much of a story about this.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:03 (five years ago) link

They did three (double A-side?) singles after that. Substance problems was one contributing factor.

What Do I Blecch? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:20 (five years ago) link

Discussion of the end of the first run here: Buzzcocks Are Everything

What Do I Blecch? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 10 December 2018 21:06 (five years ago) link


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