Thread for continued speculation on l'affaire KEYSY etc, rolling reactionary stupidity/misogyny/prejudice in football

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nah I just played that video clip which had a lot cleaner version of the tape plus that on camera stuff. I mean Gray still seems less spiteful than Keys but I dunno maybe he's never had a messy divorce or something

damn i've heard the tape again and if u amp up the mid frequencies and block out the whirring background drone of partridgesque self-regard, you can hear them pretty clearly DENYING THE HOLOCAUST

have we got Littlejohn's definite "thoughts" on the issue yet btw?

yeah, from me iirc

lol well played

not rly ;_;

Stoked for his column. Hopefully he can get a couple of murdered prostitute gags in there.

richard littlejohn seems to write every three or four days, last was friday's warsi/islam piece so i'm guessing his next missives will be online within a couple of hours

xp you're confusing him with stuart little?

WOOAH I missed the bit in Stuart Little where the loveable little mouse made a joke about murdered prostitutes?

http://www.gamers-globe.com/images/screenshots/stuart-little-3-big-photo-adventure/stuart-little-3-big-photo-adventure-ps2-001.jpg

my bad

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/StuartLeeResofit1.jpg/220px-StuartLeeResofit1.jpg

haha

Think he gave that cat the double deuce at one point but the cat was asking for it.

idk how attached sky and their viewers are to keysy

Nobody would miss him if he went tomorrow. When have you ever, in 19 years of Premiership coverage, ever heard someone said that they liked Richard Keys, or that he was really good at his job? Until recently I don't even remember anyone saying anything particularly bad about him either.

have u ever been to norwich tho

Don't give these two a red card

Why on earth should Sky presenters Andy Gray and Richard Keys be pilloried for something they said off-air?

I would imagine their considered view that women have no business running the line at Premier League football matches would be considered utterly uncontroversial by most gentlemen of a certain age.

Come to mention it, most women of a certain age would probably agree, too.

By all accounts, the lady linesman involved is a jolly good sport and wasn’t in the slightest bit offended. All the chaps said was that she didn’t understand the offside rule. I’m not sure I understand the offside rule these days, either. And I’ve been around football all my life.

Yet we’ve had a procession of po-faced feminists feigning outrage at this alleged ‘slight’. Keys and Gray have been accused of ‘appalling and damaging sexism’. For goodness sake. I’ve heard much worse said about male linesmen, not to mention referees and their parentage being called into question.

This was a private conversation between two mates that should never have gone any further. In an age when the Prime Minister’s spokesman is hounded from office for allegedly colluding in the hacking of phone messages in his previous incarnation as a newspaper editor, why should the private thoughts of two football presenters be considered less sacrosanct than those of any other public figure?

I know the old adage that you should never say anything unguarded in front of a live microphone. But we’ve all done it.

Whatever you think of what was said, there’s more than a sneaking suspicion here that Andy Gray, at least, has been set up by someone at Sky to take a fall.

All the chaps said was that she didn’t understand the offside rule. I’m not sure I understand the offside rule these days, either. And I’ve been around football all my life.

Yeah, and it's not your paid job on a football pitch to, mate. And no-one's suggested that you can't do it because of your gender, same as no-one who throws abuse at rubbish linesman (and god knows I do it every week), to the best of my knowledge, is suggesting they can't do their jobs because they are men. The amount of wilful point-missing all over the place wrt this is amazing.

I take it that article is by Littlejohn then, aye?

Biggest point-missing was a piece in The Times yesterday arguing that the lino didn't deserve this because she'd've'd to work twice as hard as any male lino to get where she was so should be cut a bit of slack. Fair enough - but the journo didn't even point out that she got the call right! The impression was all 'be nice to the lady, she's doing her best', which is very much not the way to counter the furore here.

xp That was by Littlejohn, yes.

btw, I'm absolutely fine with "lol women don't be understanding offside" as a meme and a joke. Anyone who's spent any time in a car with me will know I'm the world's worst at making cracks about women drivers, so it would be hypocritical of me to not laugh at anyone trotting out the old football cliche in the world. But Keys and Gray didn't sound like they were joking, and the totally undisguised disgust in Keys' voice when discussing Karren Brady was just vile unreconstructed misogyny.

I suspect Helen Chamberlain will be the patsy for the "go on, explain the offside rule then, GIRL" on Sky Sports on Saturday morning to make it all OK again.

It's been a pretty bad few days for his old mates in the Murdoch empire but, wow, Littlejohn is shook.

I notice "lol, we've all done it, what can you do, eh?" wasn't to the forefront of what passes for Littlejohn's mind when Gordon Brown's private thoughts were accidentally broadcast to the world.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1269918/ELECTION-2010-Gordon-Brown-hates-everybody--Labour-voters-included.html

Andy Gray was in the High Court last week suing Murdoch's News of the World. Leaked audio and footage on Saturday.

Must be a coincidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hat59BkFnQA&feature=related

Feel so sorry for the lino having her drunken facebook pictures plastered all over the papers, as if that has anything to do with anything. Pretty much anyone in the modern world could be treated like shit just by having one drunk night where their friend had a camera.

David Lister drags up a completely unrelated incident to bash footballers as not only sexist but anti-semitic too. “Hearing both footballers and football commentators off-screen can be a shock to the system… [Matt Le Tissier] caused collective jaw-dropping [once saying] ‘I always enjoyed playing at White Hart Lane,’ mentioning the ground of Tottenham Hotspur, whose Jewish fans make up a large proportion of its support. ‘It was the only place where I felt I didn’t have a big nose.’ He was followed by Richard Keys, who gave one of the most witless and sexist speeches I have heard… Keys remarked that he had once glimpsed Cherie at a function. He grimaced, made noises of disgust and wondered aloud how on earth Blair could be attracted to her.”

The front of the Sun has one of her facebook snaps with the headline "get 'em off" (referring, obviously, to the much smaller pictures of Keys and Gray). Ugh.

And yes, being outraged at the Sun being offensive is like being outraged at the actual sun daring to rise in the morning, I know.

see, what Le Tiss has done there is made a joke, and not a bad one. Keys on the other hand, that doesn't seem to be a joke at all, though he probably thinks it is. It's actually the problem with mainstream telly coverage in a nutshell, albeit usually they stick to cynicism rather than tipping into abuse.

jesus you fucking retard, it is emphatically not acceptable for a gentile to make jokes like that

letiss ilf hall of fame papal infallibility

ismael ilf hall of nult banal infantility

if u2 beefed now it wdnt have owt on zvooks vs deems

can you not pretend this is some contrived 'beef', he is not merely exculpating but praising someone for making shitty antisemitic jokes

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/86/EwigerJudeFilm.jpg/220px-EwigerJudeFilm.jpg

Were the Le Tissiers collaborators during the occupation of Gurnsey?

this is gonna be 2011's bottle opener thread, I know it

a couple of my jewish friends have made 'big nose' jokes about themselves but to do it indiscriminately runs too great a risk of a) offence and b) falling into the ken of genuine antisemitism, so on balance, one shouldn't praise such behaviour on ILX, even if one is attempting to see it in context

jewish friends have made 'big nose' jokes about themselves

CAN YOU NOT SEE THE DIFFERENCE

YES I CAN HENCE THE REST OF MY POST

FUCKSAKE DUDE

How many Jews can you fit in a Mini?

Four (Jews are not a different size to Gentiles)

What did the big Jew say to the little Jew?

Stop hiding behind that tree!

this is gonna be 2011's bottle opener thread, I know it

americans dont hate women they just shoot them iirc

fucking hell lj you acknowledged you came acropper on the r10 bottle opener thread

don't pretend this is some talking points shit, gentiles should not invoke shitty stereotypes about jews in the service of inane 19th hole banter

there isn't any more to say

Three Jews walk into a bar, have a couple of rounds and pleasant conversation, one of them uses the fruity while talking to a cute girl whose friends are late to meet her and then they leave.

dude, I agreed with you, if you read my post properly, I was just being fair to IK but coming down on your side

and yeah, I did come a cropper - older, wiser etc - but come on, I'm just trying to keep the peace

Why did the Jewish chicken cross the road?

To avoid the NF protest going on.

a hoy is it true that in the popular american musical genre of rap, ethnic slurs are 'reclaimed'?

idk, what's that all about?

and '19th hole banter' is very much indiscriminately. plz pop over to the ILE thread I just bumped where that issue can be further discussed. altho maybe your own brit culture thread wdve been a better bump (transfer it there?)

dont worry the pards thread will be kept alive

that threads got a long way to go yet and your good work will not have been in vain

whelan says he has a clause allowing him to fire him if he is found guilty of misconduct by the fa although presumably he has wagered that the fa will either do nothing (as the mail have intimated) or fuck all

Ought Mackay to have rendered himself permanently unemployable through his charmless interchanges with his former head of recruitment Iain Moody, or should the game allow him a route back if he shows contrition and promises to behave better in the future?

The danger here is that many are depicting Mackay as some sort of sex offender, if not a mass murderer. His crime was being busted by a vengeful former employer for a handful of texts that were undeniably much worse than the “friendly banter” the League Managers Association foolishly suggested.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/nov/19/malky-mackay-deserves-fair-hearing-wigan-management-return-dave-whelan

"The new Wigan manager’s brief will simply be to keep the team out of Division One. One way or the other, it may be a while before Mackay finds himself back in the Premier League, so no one can say he is not paying for his mistakes already."

He only ever managed in the EPL for a short period so how is getting a job at the level he has worked at for 90 odd percent of his career "paying for his mistakes"? It is a long time since I accepted The Graun is morally bankrupt, but this fucking Fantastic Voyage style colonic irrigation up Whelan's arse is even distasteful by their current paltry standards.

Richard Keys @richardajkeys

Brave Dave Whelan. I hope it works out for everybody. Malky is a good football man. There's always 2 sides to every story.

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Lisa Nandy, a Wigan MP, had written to Whelan last week to urge the club not to appoint Mackay. Whelan said: “I have invited our MP, the lady, to any football match she wishes to come to. If she will, I’ll introduce her to Malky. She’s not a Wigan lass so she doesn’t understand football. But we can try and give her some help.”

"I have taken on an educational programme in terms of diversity that will be ongoing."

Everything about that sentence reeks of intellectual insecurity. He thinks saying "I'm doing a diversity course" is too simple a sentence for the forward-thinking leader-of-men next-gen tactical manager he thinks he is.

Lol! I guess Wigan must have suddenly become a famous football heartland since they got into the Prem.

Only a couple of weeks ago Whelan was trotting out his usual spiel on a 5live report on the Rooney Rule and repeatedly in the interview he referred to "coloured players" unchallenged by the interviewer, afterwards there was a glib “which some listeners may have found offensive” type apology.

Lisa Nandy was born in Manchester.

Local MP Lisa Nandy says she has been assured Malky Mackay's appointment as Wigan manager is 'consistent with the club's values'.

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Dave Whelan has been accused of antisemitism after the Wigan Athletic owner told the Guardian he believes that “Jewish people chase money more than everybody else”.

A Chinese community leader, Jenny Wong, also said Whelan was condoning racism by saying it is “nothing” to call a Chinese person a “chink”.

The comments came on the same day that one of Wigan’s shirt sponsors, the kitchen appliances firm Premier Range, announced it was ending its agreement with the club, describing its position as “untenable”.

Whelan was explaining his appointment on Wednesday of Malky Mackay as Wigan’s manager, despite Mackay being currently under investigation by the Football Association for alleged racism and antisemitism over his email and text exchanges while in charge of Cardiff City with the club’s former head of recruitment Iain Moody.

The three texts or emails Mackay had sent, Whelan said, included one describing the Cardiff City owner, Malaysian Vincent Tan, as a “chink”. In another, Mackay referred to the Jewish football agent, Phil Smith, saying: “Nothing like a Jew that sees money slipping through his fingers.”

Whelan said he saw neither as offensive, nor did he consider offensive the other text for which he said Mackay was responsible, which referred to there being “enough dogs in Cardiff for us all to go round”, when Mackay signed the South Korean international Kim Bo-kyung.

Whelan said he does not believe the reference to Smith is offensive, first explaining that he believed Mackay was only reflecting that Jewish people “love money” like everybody does: “The Jews don’t like losing money. Nobody likes losing money,” Whelan told the Guardian.

Asked whether he did not think what Mackay said was offensive, because the claim that Jews “love money” has been used as a negative stereotype, Whelan said: “Do you think Jewish people chase money a little bit more than we do? I think they are very shrewd people.” Asked if he himself believed that, Whelan, the multimillionaire former owner of JJB Sports, said yes: “I think Jewish people do chase money more than everybody else. I don’t think that’s offensive at all.”

Whelan said he did not think there was “a lot wrong” with anything Mackay said, and there was no malice or disrespect in the statement about Smith. He added: “It’s telling the truth. Jewish people love money, English people love money; we all love money.”

I feel like there's either some shit-hot Wigan PR manager whose last day in the office was a week ago or there's a completely inept one punching his desk right now.

“If any Englishman said he has never called a Chinaman a chink he is lying,” Whelan said. “There is nothing bad about doing that. It is like calling the British Brits, or the Irish paddies.”

this is hilarious

Would be interested to know what Wigan under-21 captain 周定洋 made of that.

FA to rule on Whelan by next week

The FA will decide by Monday if the Wigan owner's recent comments amount to discriminatory language

I can see how it would take a fortnight to decide of course it fucking is.

His grandson, David Sharpe, was added to the club’s board on Christmas Eve and the common suspicion is that he will take over as chairman in the next year or so. Yet Sharpe is in his early 20s and it isn’t easy to understand what qualifies him for the position other than having a wealthy granddad. Sharpe was initially in charge of the family restaurant, Sharpy’s, outside Wigan’s ground before it was boarded up last year because of a lack of customers, costing Whelan £1.3m in the process. For Wigan it could be a long way back.

http://www.wigantoday.net/news/local/pilfering-fish-bar-manager-jailed-1-6421973

“But when homophobic abuse is targeted at one individual, it is horrendous... Calling him gay when he wasn’t. My stomach is really churning now.”

He said he has since apologised to Elliot.

Carlisle also admitted that a female physio with the team was routinely “objectified” while he played with the side.

@richardajkeys
I know you like accuracy @ColinMurray. Been doing some checking. 3500 workers on 5 stadia sites 6 million hrs worked - no fatalities.
2:57 PM - 29 May 2015

@andymild1979
@richardajkeys @ColinMurray hmmmm, really? how did you find these facts out?

Richard Keys @richardajkeys
@andymild1979 Its called accurate research. Making a lot of noise doesn't win you an argument.

@KewRose
@richardajkeys @ColinMurray I lived in the middle east like you and deep down you surely know the truth. Statistics from where??

Richard Keys @richardajkeys
@KewRose Accurate statistics from people who have to keep record of these things.

@RobGilbz
@richardajkeys @ColinMurray Glad you've cleared that up. Can you let us know about Gay rights now?

Richard Keys @richardajkeys
@RobGilbz What do you need to know? I have never witnessed a problem. There's plenty of diversity here. I know. I live here.

Accurate statistics from people who have to keep record of these things.

'Unbelievable. Whatever happened to loyalty and 'in it together'?' Keys says. 'Pascoe is his mate for goodness sake. It's cheap. Shabby. Rodgers should've walked and gone with some dignity.

'When Sky sacked my buddy Andy Gray there was only one thing on my mind 'I'm out too'. I slipped out of the back garden, across fields and into a nearby nursery, run by a very good friend of mine. I still chuckle Jamie.....! I was in a car and off to Heathrow leaving the clowns besieging my house well behind.'

charlton athletic forum women's world cup thread has kept the spirit alive

delightful acquittal celebration and subsequent hope-the-slag-rots across every football forum in the land today

aye, it's really depressing when you're happy that the forum you're looking at is split roughly 50/50 and this feels like the best you can hope for

glad he's not as well known across ILX as Michael Gira

the thing that really got me about the whole affair was that the other guy mcdonald was never charged with anything, despite being arguably responsible for what happened

the whole case is a total shit show, the dog whistle testimony about her sexual history - admitted in part because allegedly she used the same phrase in another sexual encounter that ched and co. say she used - probably the most wtf and worrying thing - there than the verdict and the gleeful reaction

oh yeah and the reward offered for testimony by ched evans' father in law.

yeah seriously, the testimony of someone who had sex with her a few weeks later = what the fuck is our legal system

but lj surely if she were raped she would never have sex again?

and surely she'd be able to give the same level of consent on one drunken night with one man as on another drunken night when one man decided to introduce another man to proceedings halfway through

This was such an important case and this verdict is just bullshit in every way.

Charlton's forum is like 80% on the right side of this, tbf. Wonder if, say, Leeds' is

I can't even click on mine, probs about 60% of them in the string up all crims (apart from rapists) brigade.

It doesn't surprise me that grim neanderthal Chris Turner is "delighted" with this result. Well done to the court for emboldening a rapist and setting a fucked up precedent of victim harassment that will embolden many other rapists for years to come.

Sometimes it seems wherever you look in this country at the moment there is no light, just creeping malevolence everywhere. It's too fucking depressing.