Thread for continued speculation on l'affaire KEYSY etc, rolling reactionary stupidity/misogyny/prejudice in football

haha

Think he gave that cat the double deuce at one point but the cat was asking for it.

idk how attached sky and their viewers are to keysy

Nobody would miss him if he went tomorrow. When have you ever, in 19 years of Premiership coverage, ever heard someone said that they liked Richard Keys, or that he was really good at his job? Until recently I don't even remember anyone saying anything particularly bad about him either.

have u ever been to norwich tho

Don't give these two a red card

Why on earth should Sky presenters Andy Gray and Richard Keys be pilloried for something they said off-air?

I would imagine their considered view that women have no business running the line at Premier League football matches would be considered utterly uncontroversial by most gentlemen of a certain age.

Come to mention it, most women of a certain age would probably agree, too.

By all accounts, the lady linesman involved is a jolly good sport and wasn’t in the slightest bit offended. All the chaps said was that she didn’t understand the offside rule. I’m not sure I understand the offside rule these days, either. And I’ve been around football all my life.

Yet we’ve had a procession of po-faced feminists feigning outrage at this alleged ‘slight’. Keys and Gray have been accused of ‘appalling and damaging sexism’. For goodness sake. I’ve heard much worse said about male linesmen, not to mention referees and their parentage being called into question.

This was a private conversation between two mates that should never have gone any further. In an age when the Prime Minister’s spokesman is hounded from office for allegedly colluding in the hacking of phone messages in his previous incarnation as a newspaper editor, why should the private thoughts of two football presenters be considered less sacrosanct than those of any other public figure?

I know the old adage that you should never say anything unguarded in front of a live microphone. But we’ve all done it.

Whatever you think of what was said, there’s more than a sneaking suspicion here that Andy Gray, at least, has been set up by someone at Sky to take a fall.

All the chaps said was that she didn’t understand the offside rule. I’m not sure I understand the offside rule these days, either. And I’ve been around football all my life.

Yeah, and it's not your paid job on a football pitch to, mate. And no-one's suggested that you can't do it because of your gender, same as no-one who throws abuse at rubbish linesman (and god knows I do it every week), to the best of my knowledge, is suggesting they can't do their jobs because they are men. The amount of wilful point-missing all over the place wrt this is amazing.

I take it that article is by Littlejohn then, aye?

Biggest point-missing was a piece in The Times yesterday arguing that the lino didn't deserve this because she'd've'd to work twice as hard as any male lino to get where she was so should be cut a bit of slack. Fair enough - but the journo didn't even point out that she got the call right! The impression was all 'be nice to the lady, she's doing her best', which is very much not the way to counter the furore here.

xp That was by Littlejohn, yes.

btw, I'm absolutely fine with "lol women don't be understanding offside" as a meme and a joke. Anyone who's spent any time in a car with me will know I'm the world's worst at making cracks about women drivers, so it would be hypocritical of me to not laugh at anyone trotting out the old football cliche in the world. But Keys and Gray didn't sound like they were joking, and the totally undisguised disgust in Keys' voice when discussing Karren Brady was just vile unreconstructed misogyny.

I suspect Helen Chamberlain will be the patsy for the "go on, explain the offside rule then, GIRL" on Sky Sports on Saturday morning to make it all OK again.

It's been a pretty bad few days for his old mates in the Murdoch empire but, wow, Littlejohn is shook.

I notice "lol, we've all done it, what can you do, eh?" wasn't to the forefront of what passes for Littlejohn's mind when Gordon Brown's private thoughts were accidentally broadcast to the world.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1269918/ELECTION-2010-Gordon-Brown-hates-everybody--Labour-voters-included.html

Andy Gray was in the High Court last week suing Murdoch's News of the World. Leaked audio and footage on Saturday.

Must be a coincidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hat59BkFnQA&feature=related

Feel so sorry for the lino having her drunken facebook pictures plastered all over the papers, as if that has anything to do with anything. Pretty much anyone in the modern world could be treated like shit just by having one drunk night where their friend had a camera.

David Lister drags up a completely unrelated incident to bash footballers as not only sexist but anti-semitic too. “Hearing both footballers and football commentators off-screen can be a shock to the system… [Matt Le Tissier] caused collective jaw-dropping [once saying] ‘I always enjoyed playing at White Hart Lane,’ mentioning the ground of Tottenham Hotspur, whose Jewish fans make up a large proportion of its support. ‘It was the only place where I felt I didn’t have a big nose.’ He was followed by Richard Keys, who gave one of the most witless and sexist speeches I have heard… Keys remarked that he had once glimpsed Cherie at a function. He grimaced, made noises of disgust and wondered aloud how on earth Blair could be attracted to her.”

The front of the Sun has one of her facebook snaps with the headline "get 'em off" (referring, obviously, to the much smaller pictures of Keys and Gray). Ugh.

And yes, being outraged at the Sun being offensive is like being outraged at the actual sun daring to rise in the morning, I know.

see, what Le Tiss has done there is made a joke, and not a bad one. Keys on the other hand, that doesn't seem to be a joke at all, though he probably thinks it is. It's actually the problem with mainstream telly coverage in a nutshell, albeit usually they stick to cynicism rather than tipping into abuse.

jesus you fucking retard, it is emphatically not acceptable for a gentile to make jokes like that

letiss ilf hall of fame papal infallibility

ismael ilf hall of nult banal infantility

if u2 beefed now it wdnt have owt on zvooks vs deems

can you not pretend this is some contrived 'beef', he is not merely exculpating but praising someone for making shitty antisemitic jokes

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/86/EwigerJudeFilm.jpg/220px-EwigerJudeFilm.jpg

Were the Le Tissiers collaborators during the occupation of Gurnsey?

this is gonna be 2011's bottle opener thread, I know it

a couple of my jewish friends have made 'big nose' jokes about themselves but to do it indiscriminately runs too great a risk of a) offence and b) falling into the ken of genuine antisemitism, so on balance, one shouldn't praise such behaviour on ILX, even if one is attempting to see it in context

jewish friends have made 'big nose' jokes about themselves

CAN YOU NOT SEE THE DIFFERENCE

YES I CAN HENCE THE REST OF MY POST

FUCKSAKE DUDE

How many Jews can you fit in a Mini?

Four (Jews are not a different size to Gentiles)

What did the big Jew say to the little Jew?

Stop hiding behind that tree!

this is gonna be 2011's bottle opener thread, I know it

americans dont hate women they just shoot them iirc

fucking hell lj you acknowledged you came acropper on the r10 bottle opener thread

don't pretend this is some talking points shit, gentiles should not invoke shitty stereotypes about jews in the service of inane 19th hole banter

there isn't any more to say

Three Jews walk into a bar, have a couple of rounds and pleasant conversation, one of them uses the fruity while talking to a cute girl whose friends are late to meet her and then they leave.

dude, I agreed with you, if you read my post properly, I was just being fair to IK but coming down on your side

and yeah, I did come a cropper - older, wiser etc - but come on, I'm just trying to keep the peace

Why did the Jewish chicken cross the road?

To avoid the NF protest going on.

a hoy is it true that in the popular american musical genre of rap, ethnic slurs are 'reclaimed'?

idk, what's that all about?

and '19th hole banter' is very much indiscriminately. plz pop over to the ILE thread I just bumped where that issue can be further discussed. altho maybe your own brit culture thread wdve been a better bump (transfer it there?)

They hate black people iirc

lj i read your post correctly rather than properlyand yeah the problem is you are 'just being fair to IK' where NO 'FAIRNESS' WHATSOEVER is permissable

not saying he or le tissier are raging jew haters but there simply is no equanmity affordable here, it's just not fucking done nahmean?

I'm really trying to be all about the equanimity atm - there are some things though where zero tolerance is probably for the best, including racial discrimination. The only context where it's acceptable, as I said, is the one where rhetorical guns are turned on oneself, so yeah, nakh otm, but don't hate on IK - hate on the fact such dull and unfunny stereotypes continue to be bandied, and such prejudices continue to be upheld - the eventual aim is to kill prejudice by loving the people, is it not?

god I sound like a pious fuckwit, time out for lunch imo

that's fair enough lj, and yeah i usually advise more equanimity and less stridency, so this thread is something of a reversal of types

you aren't pious but you do eat lunch very early

I dunno, I dislike a lot of people. Not because of their different races, religions, gender or sexuality (maybe class if i'm honest). "loving" is a stupid idea. Just understand that people are born differently but that in reality it isn't that important on how they act or work or think and then if you understand that, you will hopefully know that there is no need to be a dick.*

*unless you work for NewsCorp, in which you'll get a promotion.

it's actually brunch, woke at 9.50 but talked to nzqt for 2 hrs :)

just saying, when it comes to tidying up the world's prejudices, ILX is srsly the very, very least of our worries!

How can you tell if a person is Jewish?

Ask them politely.

Did you hear the one about the woman who didn't understand the offside rule?

It was understandable, she never really cared for football. She could tell you about all the rules in hockey though.

just saying, when it comes to tidying up the world's prejudices, ILX is srsly the very, very least of our worries!

the difference is i read ilx whereas i don't visit hebron/stoke/moskow

I think David James called Le Tissier out on that particular joke iirc.

maybe an angry man in a staffordshire telephone box is curently smashing the receiver against the glass because THE JEWS have just confiscated his last 20p

thankfully he does not contribute to ilx though

What would cheer me up would be if they replace Keys with Jim White and then him & Charlie Nicholas laughing about the potato famine when they didn't realise they were being filmed was brought up and they had to sack him as well.

“If any Englishman said he has never called a Chinaman a chink he is lying,” Whelan said. “There is nothing bad about doing that. It is like calling the British Brits, or the Irish paddies.”

this is hilarious

Would be interested to know what Wigan under-21 captain 周定洋 made of that.

FA to rule on Whelan by next week

The FA will decide by Monday if the Wigan owner's recent comments amount to discriminatory language

I can see how it would take a fortnight to decide of course it fucking is.

His grandson, David Sharpe, was added to the club’s board on Christmas Eve and the common suspicion is that he will take over as chairman in the next year or so. Yet Sharpe is in his early 20s and it isn’t easy to understand what qualifies him for the position other than having a wealthy granddad. Sharpe was initially in charge of the family restaurant, Sharpy’s, outside Wigan’s ground before it was boarded up last year because of a lack of customers, costing Whelan £1.3m in the process. For Wigan it could be a long way back.

http://www.wigantoday.net/news/local/pilfering-fish-bar-manager-jailed-1-6421973

“But when homophobic abuse is targeted at one individual, it is horrendous... Calling him gay when he wasn’t. My stomach is really churning now.”

He said he has since apologised to Elliot.

Carlisle also admitted that a female physio with the team was routinely “objectified” while he played with the side.

@richardajkeys
I know you like accuracy @ColinMurray. Been doing some checking. 3500 workers on 5 stadia sites 6 million hrs worked - no fatalities.
2:57 PM - 29 May 2015

@andymild1979
@richardajkeys @ColinMurray hmmmm, really? how did you find these facts out?

Richard Keys @richardajkeys
@andymild1979 Its called accurate research. Making a lot of noise doesn't win you an argument.

@KewRose
@richardajkeys @ColinMurray I lived in the middle east like you and deep down you surely know the truth. Statistics from where??

Richard Keys @richardajkeys
@KewRose Accurate statistics from people who have to keep record of these things.

@RobGilbz
@richardajkeys @ColinMurray Glad you've cleared that up. Can you let us know about Gay rights now?

Richard Keys @richardajkeys
@RobGilbz What do you need to know? I have never witnessed a problem. There's plenty of diversity here. I know. I live here.

Accurate statistics from people who have to keep record of these things.

'Unbelievable. Whatever happened to loyalty and 'in it together'?' Keys says. 'Pascoe is his mate for goodness sake. It's cheap. Shabby. Rodgers should've walked and gone with some dignity.

'When Sky sacked my buddy Andy Gray there was only one thing on my mind 'I'm out too'. I slipped out of the back garden, across fields and into a nearby nursery, run by a very good friend of mine. I still chuckle Jamie.....! I was in a car and off to Heathrow leaving the clowns besieging my house well behind.'

charlton athletic forum women's world cup thread has kept the spirit alive

delightful acquittal celebration and subsequent hope-the-slag-rots across every football forum in the land today

aye, it's really depressing when you're happy that the forum you're looking at is split roughly 50/50 and this feels like the best you can hope for

glad he's not as well known across ILX as Michael Gira

the thing that really got me about the whole affair was that the other guy mcdonald was never charged with anything, despite being arguably responsible for what happened

the whole case is a total shit show, the dog whistle testimony about her sexual history - admitted in part because allegedly she used the same phrase in another sexual encounter that ched and co. say she used - probably the most wtf and worrying thing - there than the verdict and the gleeful reaction

oh yeah and the reward offered for testimony by ched evans' father in law.

yeah seriously, the testimony of someone who had sex with her a few weeks later = what the fuck is our legal system

but lj surely if she were raped she would never have sex again?

and surely she'd be able to give the same level of consent on one drunken night with one man as on another drunken night when one man decided to introduce another man to proceedings halfway through

This was such an important case and this verdict is just bullshit in every way.

Charlton's forum is like 80% on the right side of this, tbf. Wonder if, say, Leeds' is

I can't even click on mine, probs about 60% of them in the string up all crims (apart from rapists) brigade.

It doesn't surprise me that grim neanderthal Chris Turner is "delighted" with this result. Well done to the court for emboldening a rapist and setting a fucked up precedent of victim harassment that will embolden many other rapists for years to come.

Sometimes it seems wherever you look in this country at the moment there is no light, just creeping malevolence everywhere. It's too fucking depressing.