worst protest song/political song to place in the Pazz & Jop singles poll

idk yo -- he was pretty much calling you a rap elitist, which, i mean shit, it's a message board idk

you take whiney's bait EVERY TIME. just like you take my bait EVERY TIME. that, and your lack of sense of humor about it all, is what makes you the chump. EVERY. TIME.

i take him seriously because hes certainly not funny

is it a gun?

is it a knife?

is it a wallet?

this is your life

jesus is this you trying to 'use' people's 'words' against them 'cleverly'? please just stop.

if u want me to not take it at face value try bringing lols? idk what to tell you

xpost to deej, not iatee.

although "Land Of Hope And Dreams" >>>> "American Skin" imo

"Sun City" is a horrible song with horrible guest spots.

the ramones song is so fucking awesome. neg polls generally get negative and are shitty in my limited experience of not really paying attention to neg polls bc they suck

"We Are The World" is "A Change is Gonna Come" by comparison.

"Bonzo" is terrific, especially in the last verse.

zvookster negging a neg is NAGL

you take whiney's bait... LOSS. just like you take my bait... LOSS. your lack of sense of humor about it all, is what makes you the chump... LOSS

^^^im gonna neg your neg of his neg of your neg xp

okay i don't know what's going on there

I write in vote for Student Demonstration Time even tho it never placed in Pazz and Jop. why because it sound interesting

whiney do u feel like youve gotten something out of inanely baiting me in a way that ends up annoying the rest of the board? what are u getting from it exactly? its not like you're being at all clever or funny

meanwhile, back at the ranch...

and i mean, fine, im supposed to roll my eyes & take it like a joke, but its still dumb

anyone who votes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm7p-RLFg2I gets the gasface

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXGgWf2lacM

deej my point is that if his baiting wasn't so successful, people would only be annoyed at him and never you. that is clearly not the case, and constantly being stubbornly in denial of that just makes you look way more ridiculous than him.

^should have been included in poll/wry commentary on thread xp

i'm a board hero, i don't know what you guys are on

in one of the many times i've seen School of Rock i watched the part where bonzo plays thru a montage of dewey finn giving various AV rock images to the class pointing out specifics with a pointer and almost teared up for his vision of rock as an exciting world changing beauty.

i guess its my fault for assuming that hes a dude who wants to actually talk about & take this stuff seriously

who, the Legendary KO?

what's beef?
beef is when deej makes whiney start his jeep

if the legendary ko is trolling im certainly not the one who responded lol

bonzo goes to bitsburg then he goes for a cup of teaaeeaeea and as i watched it on tv somehow it really bothered me baaaaaahbahbahbah my brain is hangin, upsidedowhowhowwwwn

i guess its my fault for assuming that hes a dude who wants to actually talk about & take this stuff seriously

― challopian youtubes (deej), Monday, January 24, 2011 10:42 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

FYI, you're the one who never answered my legitimate question about your dislike of the song over "When The President Talks To God" and fucking "Mosh"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ4LJebvtB4

this is either Sun City or Bright Eyes

deej u have been noising up ILX lately w/ your 300 post argumentative idgi bullshit, cio

pretty sure the bright eyes song is actually the worst song of the last decade

n/j school of rock is one of my favourite movies of all time

in one of the many times i've seen School of Rock i watched the part where bonzo plays thru a montage of dewey finn giving various AV rock images to the class pointing out specifics with a pointer and almost teared up for his vision of rock as an exciting world changing beauty.

― zvookster, Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:42 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

man

in one of the many times i've seen School of Rock i watched the part where bonzo plays thru a montage of dewey finn giving various AV rock images to the class pointing out specifics with a pointer and almost teared up for his vision of rock as an exciting world changing beauty.

Thanks. I was just about to mention "Bonzo"'s use in a film, but I couldn't quite remember where I'd seen it. Great scene.

Fuck that fucking bright eyes song forever

lol @ whiney riding for "the legendary KO"

I never play Sun City.

I'm sure the Bright Eyes is worse, but "Mosh" is the worst of these I've heard.

Bright Eyes song is terrible and was potent for about one week in early 2005 - it's like one of those clumsy early Dylan songs which he had the good sense to never officially release.

Free Nelson Mandela is great and joyous and specific and unexpected and I have no idea why it's on this list.

Can someone explain to me exactly why the Legendary KO record is so hated? Even leaving aside its timeliness, I love the wit and empathy in the lyric, the way the anger isn't overplayed, the way a recent hit is twisted in a way that makes complete sense and gives the track a defiant empathy rather than predictable I'm-being-serious-now gravitas. Sure, it was probably overpraised by the likes of Greil Marcus because of what it represented but I do not get why so many people (or maybe just a few very vocal people on ILX) think it's so awful.

the legendary ko track is just so corny and awkward. it's the wrong song to try to rework for starters, everything about "gold digger" is unserious and wry - it's a that's-just-how-life-is shrug about a stereotypically humorous situation that celebrates human foibles and couldn't be less aggressive or suitable for any kind of attack. shoving a ~serious message~ over the top both detracts from the message and leeches out the fun of the hook/beat.

what i hated was how pointlessly point-missing it was though. hey, legendary ko - "gold digger" was an amazing thing! kanye blurting out "george bush doesn't care about black people" on live tv was an amazing thing! YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ADD ANYTHING TO THESE AMAZING THINGS.

"georgia bush" >>> legendary ko

Thanks Lex. OK, I think the message benefits from the fun of the beat rather leeching it - the tone isn't defeated or plain furious, it's defiant and humorous. And I don't think one blurted comment - which Kanye never followed up - obviated the need for any other commentary on something as big as Katrina. Remember, this was before Lil Wayne or Jay-Z or anyone else responded. I see it as like an old civil rights freedom song, where people would spontaneously rewrite a current hit (like, aptly, Ray Charles's Hit the Road Jack) to have topical, often witty lyrics.

the other reason i think it was pointless is from the political standpoint as well as the pop standpoint - as a political statement, it didn't come close to kanye's original outburst, despite (or because) kanye didn't follow it up. bush himself called kanye's comment the worst moment of his presidency. beyond a few rock critics, barely anyone noticed and certainly no one remembers the legendary ko's contribution to the discourse. it came off like the legendary ko was trying to make an awkward quasi-political act by kanye into a Proper Political Thing, but it had zero impact from that point of view.

The Legendary KO track isn't great but come on there are at least two songs on here that are worse, Mosh and the Bright Eyes one.

The Stop The Violence Movement - "Self Destruction" (#20, 1989)

Never heard this, any good?

Ha, yes. I respect Eminem for stepping up and saying it but the style is so nagging and jabbing and unpleasurable. He makes it sound sour and dutiful instead of (a la PE) thrilling.

I of course should have added Kanye's original comments to my timeline of Katrina--that fits in between 1) and 2). One thing I pointed out on the Facebook countdown I mentioned earlier: Legendary K.O.'s record would seem to be emblematic of the lightning-fast rapidity in which something like Katrina can go from news event to widely-distributed mp3 in the internet age. But if you check the timeline for "Ohio," the gap between event and song isn't all that much larger--I think "Ohio" was on the radio about four or five weeks after the fact.

that's why it was a single wasn't it? to get it out that fast...

Mark Mothersbaugh was at Kent State at the time (in fact he mentions in a few places how the shootings were very much integral to the inspiration of the Devo concept); I think I remember him saying that the reaction around campus to "Ohio" was v. negative, and that the perception among them was that rich rock stars were trying to cash in on their tragedy...

I actually think I might've read that in Shakey (Neil Young bio) actually...

wow, 'actually' overdose lol

I read that Mothersbaugh quote too, so maybe it was Shakey. I gotta admit, I thought the idea that Neil was trying to cash in on what happened struck me as absurd. CSNY was already a money-making machine; putting out a song like "Ohio" (as opposed to, say, "Our House") would seem to me to put that in jeopardy, not solidify your commercial viability. It made it to #14 on Billboard. Knowing the way recording deals were structured in those days, I wonder what riches Neil cleared from a #14 single in 1970? At a gut level, though, I guess I understand how someone who went to Kent State at the time would resent "Ohio."

Geez--just noticed that "Our House," the follow-up to "Ohio," only made it to #30. So what do I know about commercial viability? Maybe "Ohio" was just a big cash cow after all.

^right, I get the impression that even back when it was released Crosby Stills and Nash kindof represented the hippie movement sticking its head up its own ass, contemplating agrarian idylls (Our House, Teach Your Children)...

Ohio prolley seemed to those sort of close to the tragedy as exploitative, soft-rock sell-outs using their showdown with The Man to bolster their countercultural cred...

prolley belongs in this poll.

(prolley not, i know, just joking...)

x-post yeah, whether it's a cash-in for $$$ or not, it could easily be seen as a co-option of a tragedy. It's not like CSNY were on the frontlines at this point.

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The '00s were awful.

in terms of '00s songs/albums where ppl do self-consciously "political" and "about" Bush + The War On Terror and stuff, I really like The Evening of My Best Day by Rickie Lee Jones, though that angle is pretty low key for the most part, and the song that's most in that vein is "Tell Somebody (Repeal the Patriot Act)" which is maybe my least favourite track on the album

The Specials - "Free Nelson Mandela" (#17, 1984) 3

WTF, 3 of you?!