maybe a tribe song or 2
― *kl0p* (deej), Friday, 28 January 2011 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i think part of what makes wayne seem partic annoying though is that his influence is EVERYWHERE but also feels, like, wholly negative?
― tuomascratch beat (deej), Thursday, January 27, 2011 5:28 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i think you hit on it best right here
― ciderpress, Friday, 28 January 2011 01:25 (thirteen years ago) link
like wayne's been so prolific that it's much harder to sound fresh if you're showing his influence
― ciderpress, Friday, 28 January 2011 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link
the difference is that the frat-rap crowd now has artists/auteurs they follow instead of just being into random popular rap singles
not buying this @ all
― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Friday, 28 January 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, i wondered if people were getting burnt out on wayne. just heard "six foot seven foot", and he sounds fucking ferocious, but no buzz at all....
― m0stlyClean, Friday, 28 January 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link
― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:29 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
fascinating perspective, sb'd you
― *kl0p* (deej), Friday, 28 January 2011 03:07 (thirteen years ago) link
way to support yr argument lol. classy!
― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Friday, 28 January 2011 06:05 (thirteen years ago) link
100 new answers by EOD― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:00 PM (Yesterday)
― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:00 PM (Yesterday)
hmmmm. i was close!
― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Friday, 28 January 2011 06:09 (thirteen years ago) link
lil wayne is annoying 98 new answers
― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Friday, 28 January 2011 06:10 (thirteen years ago) link
ilxor is annoying
― fruit of the goon (k3vin k.), Friday, 28 January 2011 06:10 (thirteen years ago) link
thank you for that
lil wayne is annoying 100 new answers
― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Friday, 28 January 2011 06:11 (thirteen years ago) link
ilxor, stfu, seriously
― *kl0p* (deej), Friday, 28 January 2011 08:36 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― flopson, Friday, 28 January 2011 08:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't read this thread but I pretty much feel the opposite of deej. I love his voice so much that I'll enjoy even subpar shit from just cause his instrument is so gd amazing.
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Friday, 28 January 2011 09:09 (thirteen years ago) link
from him*
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Friday, January 28, 2011 4:09 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark
where was Rebirth on your year-end list?
― williamstevenjames (some dude), Friday, 28 January 2011 13:55 (thirteen years ago) link
Well obviously there are limits to that.
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Friday, 28 January 2011 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah but...do you not listen to that stuff just because you don't particularly like the music, or does his voice or the way he uses it eventually cross an annoyingness threshold at some point?
― williamstevenjames (some dude), Friday, 28 January 2011 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, I'm just simply not interested in him doing a album of shitty buttrock, along with the rest of the world.
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Friday, 28 January 2011 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, I was referring more to something like No Ceilings where it's kind of like...ok, he's not at the top of his game here, but he's still a joy to listen to as opposed to something like Rebirth which is obviously the most godawful shit ever.
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Friday, 28 January 2011 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
does his voice or the way he uses it eventually cross an annoyingness threshold at some point
otm ^^
for me it's not so much "annoyed" by his voice on Rebirth, i think most would agree the stylistic detour into butt-rock was the main reason that album sunk like a boulder. anyway, i get what rev's saying-- his voice is a great instrument, but he needs to play to his stylistic strengths and ~WRITE COMPELLING LYRICS~ that don't come across as smdh.gif
― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Friday, 28 January 2011 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link
You just otmed a question dawg.
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Friday, 28 January 2011 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
well I mean, Rebirth wasn't all straight-up rock -- "On Fire" was pretty much a rap song from a production standpoint and slightly less so from a lyrical standpoint, and it was his annoying voice and persona that mostly made it a shitty song imo.
― williamstevenjames (some dude), Friday, 28 January 2011 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh. After hearing the first couple songs that came out of that project, I just avoided the rest.
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Friday, 28 January 2011 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link
it was the 2nd single
― williamstevenjames (some dude), Friday, 28 January 2011 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link
looooooool i need coffee ^____^
― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Friday, 28 January 2011 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Ok, well afaik I haven't heard it. xp
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Friday, 28 January 2011 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I kind of feel like for better or worse major rap stardom used to be a pretty short-lived thing ... but after Jay kind of proved that you can be a hugely rapper for a really long time, now it feels like we're got this calcified A-list that loses or gains members at a slower rate than it used to. and Wayne is one of the beneficiaries of that, who in the old rap world people probably would've kinda moved on from by now, but he's got this semi-permanent residence in the zeitgeist no matter what he does or how bad his rapping gets.
This point is probably OTM, but I think it underestimates how much Jay-Z and Wayne are still contributing to rap culture. They're still making hits, still popularizing ideas (if not quite coining them like they used to), and in Wayne's case in particular, still siring very important proteges (for better or worse, obv).
― Evan R, Thursday, January 27, 2011 6:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
but see to me, Jay and Wayne are both guys that got to where they are with a lot of hard work and a lot of great music, but at some point the momentum carried them no matter what kind of music they make. that happens in music all the time, but I think it used to happen less in rap. Jay-Z still setting trends is just a self-fulfilling prophecy, because rappers have 10 years of practice of copying or reacting to everything he does, turning his lyrics into catchphrases, and sampling his voice for hooks; Jay could jump off a proverbial bridge tomorrow, and by the end of next week we'd have 100 other rappers swimming in the Hudson River. that doesn't mean he contributed to the culture in any meaningful or innovative way, he just did some old bullshit and the biters bit him.
― williamstevenjames (some dude), Friday, 28 January 2011 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
State the obvious.
― Has No Shame (MintIce), Saturday, 29 January 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
?
― based god on a true based god story based god (some dude), Saturday, 29 January 2011 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link
you guys, this VV article is relevant to the thread if you havent read it before (def. worth a few min)
http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-01-21/music/the-curious-case-of-lil-wayne
― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Sunday, 30 January 2011 06:11 (thirteen years ago) link
was written back in 2009 btw in case that's not clear
Anyone defending Wayne in 2008 had to contend with a cavalcade of bad ideas.
& the same ppl are still defending him three years later
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 30 January 2011 06:17 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i feel like people need to take a long hard look at his post-Carter 3 output, which maybe has been treated with soft expectations because none of it was labeled "Carter 4"
― some dude, Sunday, 30 January 2011 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link
This is a completely separate issue imo
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link
a separate issue from him being annoying? not really.
― some dude, Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link
The statements "dude has an annoying vocal tone" and "dude has a lot of bad ideas lately" aren't equivalent at all, esp considering I agree with one and not with the other.
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
well my argument has been that the latter has begot the former
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
hear enough bad ideas w/ the same vocal tone & u start to associate them
― *kl0p* (deej), Sunday, 30 January 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
lol this is getting into "it's not you, it's me" costanza rap criticism territory
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I WAS IN THE POOL
― one day you're here...and then you're banned (San Te), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
lol j0
― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Sunday, 30 January 2011 21:07 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 30 January 2011 06:17 (Yesterday) Permalink
― some dude, Sunday, 30 January 2011 13:25 (Yesterday)
As usual you guys are OTM, but I'll try to defend Wayne anyway. That VV article highlights Wayne's missteps, but goes onto say "those bad ideas were always inextricable from the whole." Wayne has many strengths, but consistency has never been one of them. Even The Carter II was overstuffed with crappy reggae tracks that everybody ignores. During his critical ascent, much of Wayne's appeal was that he was taking risks other rappers weren't. That meant he hit some remarkable highs, but also misfired a lot. I was OK with that; at least he was usually attempting something interesting.
Of course, Wayne's risk are a lot less novel than they were just three or four years ago. But since his approach has always been hit or miss, I'm more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when a project back fires. I can excuse even Rebirth, because at least he was attempting something risky (and as awful as that album is as a whole, there are a handful of tracks so enthusiastic and genuine on that album that I can't help but like). I Am Not a Human Being was a better album than Rebirth, but in a way a more disappointing one, since it played it so safe, coasting on recycled ideas. I'd rather see Wayne fall flat on his face 90% of the time and strike gold 10% than become a Fabolous or a Jadakiss, turning in good enough verses and calling it a day.
Al is very right about fans softening their expectations for his recent releases. Since Carter 3, he's put out a guaranteed-to-be-awful rock album and a collection of pre-prison leftovers. Both were disappointing by Tha Carter III's standards, but you can't accuse either of false advertising. So I'm definitely waiting to hear Tha Carter 4 before I write him off.
― Evan R, Monday, 31 January 2011 05:50 (thirteen years ago) link
fuck this guy, stupid packers fan
― basedketball (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 February 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Even The Carter II was overstuffed with crappy reggae tracks that everybody ignores.― Evan R, Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:50 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark
"Mo Fire" is awesome.
― rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 3 February 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah C2 is not perfect but the reggae stuff is not a minus at all imo
― hercudeez and nuts affair (some dude), Thursday, 3 February 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
when i poop on AJ hawk's mullet, that's stuntin
― basedketball (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 February 2011 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link
If anything, C2 suffers from puttering out at the end, where it loses steam.
― rihanna rennavated my dick (rennavate), Thursday, 3 February 2011 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
But that's what happens when your album is 18-20 songs long.
i think the only prob w/ it was the cheese-metal guitars on some tracks
― *kl0p* (deej), Friday, 4 February 2011 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link