lil wayne is annoying

yeah, i wondered if people were getting burnt out on wayne.
just heard "six foot seven foot", and he sounds fucking ferocious, but no buzz at all....

not buying this @ all

― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:29 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fascinating perspective, sb'd you

way to support yr argument lol. classy!

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― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:00 PM (Yesterday)

hmmmm. i was close!

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ilxor is annoying

thank you for that

lil wayne is annoying 100 new answers

ilxor, stfu, seriously

lol

I haven't read this thread but I pretty much feel the opposite of deej. I love his voice so much that I'll enjoy even subpar shit from just cause his instrument is so gd amazing.

from him*

I haven't read this thread but I pretty much feel the opposite of deej. I love his voice so much that I'll enjoy even subpar shit from just cause his instrument is so gd amazing.

― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Friday, January 28, 2011 4:09 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

where was Rebirth on your year-end list?

Well obviously there are limits to that.

Yeah but...do you not listen to that stuff just because you don't particularly like the music, or does his voice or the way he uses it eventually cross an annoyingness threshold at some point?

Well, I'm just simply not interested in him doing a album of shitty buttrock, along with the rest of the world.

I mean, I was referring more to something like No Ceilings where it's kind of like...ok, he's not at the top of his game here, but he's still a joy to listen to as opposed to something like Rebirth which is obviously the most godawful shit ever.

does his voice or the way he uses it eventually cross an annoyingness threshold at some point

otm ^^

for me it's not so much "annoyed" by his voice on Rebirth, i think most would agree the stylistic detour into butt-rock was the main reason that album sunk like a boulder. anyway, i get what rev's saying-- his voice is a great instrument, but he needs to play to his stylistic strengths and ~WRITE COMPELLING LYRICS~ that don't come across as smdh.gif

You just otmed a question dawg.

well I mean, Rebirth wasn't all straight-up rock -- "On Fire" was pretty much a rap song from a production standpoint and slightly less so from a lyrical standpoint, and it was his annoying voice and persona that mostly made it a shitty song imo.

Oh. After hearing the first couple songs that came out of that project, I just avoided the rest.

it was the 2nd single

You just otmed a question dawg.

looooooool i need coffee ^____^

Ok, well afaik I haven't heard it. xp

I kind of feel like for better or worse major rap stardom used to be a pretty short-lived thing ... but after Jay kind of proved that you can be a hugely rapper for a really long time, now it feels like we're got this calcified A-list that loses or gains members at a slower rate than it used to. and Wayne is one of the beneficiaries of that, who in the old rap world people probably would've kinda moved on from by now, but he's got this semi-permanent residence in the zeitgeist no matter what he does or how bad his rapping gets.

This point is probably OTM, but I think it underestimates how much Jay-Z and Wayne are still contributing to rap culture. They're still making hits, still popularizing ideas (if not quite coining them like they used to), and in Wayne's case in particular, still siring very important proteges (for better or worse, obv).

― Evan R, Thursday, January 27, 2011 6:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

but see to me, Jay and Wayne are both guys that got to where they are with a lot of hard work and a lot of great music, but at some point the momentum carried them no matter what kind of music they make. that happens in music all the time, but I think it used to happen less in rap. Jay-Z still setting trends is just a self-fulfilling prophecy, because rappers have 10 years of practice of copying or reacting to everything he does, turning his lyrics into catchphrases, and sampling his voice for hooks; Jay could jump off a proverbial bridge tomorrow, and by the end of next week we'd have 100 other rappers swimming in the Hudson River. that doesn't mean he contributed to the culture in any meaningful or innovative way, he just did some old bullshit and the biters bit him.

State the obvious.

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you guys, this VV article is relevant to the thread if you havent read it before (def. worth a few min)

http://www.villagevoice.com/2009-01-21/music/the-curious-case-of-lil-wayne

was written back in 2009 btw in case that's not clear

Anyone defending Wayne in 2008 had to contend with a cavalcade of bad ideas.

& the same ppl are still defending him three years later

yeah i feel like people need to take a long hard look at his post-Carter 3 output, which maybe has been treated with soft expectations because none of it was labeled "Carter 4"

Anyone defending Wayne in 2008 had to contend with a cavalcade of bad ideas.

This is a completely separate issue imo

a separate issue from him being annoying? not really.

The statements "dude has an annoying vocal tone" and "dude has a lot of bad ideas lately" aren't equivalent at all, esp considering I agree with one and not with the other.

well my argument has been that the latter has begot the former

hear enough bad ideas w/ the same vocal tone & u start to associate them

lol this is getting into "it's not you, it's me" costanza rap criticism territory

I WAS IN THE POOL

lol j0

Anyone defending Wayne in 2008 had to contend with a cavalcade of bad ideas.

& the same ppl are still defending him three years later

― J0rdan S., Sunday, 30 January 2011 06:17 (Yesterday) Permalink

yeah i feel like people need to take a long hard look at his post-Carter 3 output, which maybe has been treated with soft expectations because none of it was labeled "Carter 4"

― some dude, Sunday, 30 January 2011 13:25 (Yesterday)

As usual you guys are OTM, but I'll try to defend Wayne anyway. That VV article highlights Wayne's missteps, but goes onto say "those bad ideas were always inextricable from the whole." Wayne has many strengths, but consistency has never been one of them. Even The Carter II was overstuffed with crappy reggae tracks that everybody ignores. During his critical ascent, much of Wayne's appeal was that he was taking risks other rappers weren't. That meant he hit some remarkable highs, but also misfired a lot. I was OK with that; at least he was usually attempting something interesting.

Of course, Wayne's risk are a lot less novel than they were just three or four years ago. But since his approach has always been hit or miss, I'm more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt when a project back fires. I can excuse even Rebirth, because at least he was attempting something risky (and as awful as that album is as a whole, there are a handful of tracks so enthusiastic and genuine on that album that I can't help but like). I Am Not a Human Being was a better album than Rebirth, but in a way a more disappointing one, since it played it so safe, coasting on recycled ideas. I'd rather see Wayne fall flat on his face 90% of the time and strike gold 10% than become a Fabolous or a Jadakiss, turning in good enough verses and calling it a day.

Al is very right about fans softening their expectations for his recent releases. Since Carter 3, he's put out a guaranteed-to-be-awful rock album and a collection of pre-prison leftovers. Both were disappointing by Tha Carter III's standards, but you can't accuse either of false advertising. So I'm definitely waiting to hear Tha Carter 4 before I write him off.

fuck this guy, stupid packers fan

Even The Carter II was overstuffed with crappy reggae tracks that everybody ignores.
― Evan R, Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:50 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark

"Mo Fire" is awesome.

yeah C2 is not perfect but the reggae stuff is not a minus at all imo

when i poop on AJ hawk's mullet, that's stuntin

If anything, C2 suffers from puttering out at the end, where it loses steam.

But that's what happens when your album is 18-20 songs long.

i think the only prob w/ it was the cheese-metal guitars on some tracks

those are still downright tasteful compared to the Rebirth era, though. and "Best Rapper Alive" is great.

he's a PACKERS fan, i'mma bill magill this motherfucker!

Dude needs to just vanish

his vow to retire after at least 2 more albums is so cruel