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what are we talking about here, i just saw theodore fogelsanger's list, this isn't favourite films, is it?

...is it?

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link

oh shit i misread, meant to say youve got mail is awesome, teddy your wrong. still, to live and die in la, sounds fantastic

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:47 (eighteen years ago) link

persona and wild strawberries both wonderful, haven't seen scenes... the only bergman films i haven't terribly liked have been the seventh seal and winter light. and i need to see a better version of the magician before i pass judgment.

joseph (joseph), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

haha yeah i ws all, here is a guy who likes the birds and also gwen so maybe aquatic is in fact ok and ppl are reacting in bold to some hate, misplaced

and cries and whispers also, its abt a family, coming apart, maybe cancer im imagining?

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link

bad boys 2?

Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link

actually the michael bay caught my eye but i love late meg ryan romcoms, esp youve got mail and kate and leopold. french kiss is ok. do yall realize dude who made kate and leopold not only made cop land but also girl interrupted but also forthcoming johnny ca$h joaquin movie? i wonder if, identity, the movie, is worth sh!t

gear i forget if you like bb2, from probably a scarjo thread, or that it ws like miccio. i havent seen it. i like maybe only the rock, im going to check, but ill take any mbay love. i think accusing him of eg music video editing is totally misplaced, other shit cld be more valid yeah

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

huh yeah i only like the rock. i must like that movie alot. a, remember when. if heaven for me is a rock faceoff drivein dbl feature w dbl decker cheeseburgers and skates i hope i dont get bored

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:03 (eighteen years ago) link

The Rock is good but it's all about the acting. it's like Bay's directorial instincts in that are totally opposed to the weird dialogue and acting.

Bad Boys II is shit but better than the first one.

Gear! (Gear!), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:03 (eighteen years ago) link

you guys have GOT to see the island

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:04 (eighteen years ago) link

dont forget solemn ed harris scenes! but yeah the rock is kind of screwball and longtake in a roundabout way and nicks beatles girlfriend really worked for me as a teenager or preteen depending on the release. ive been dreaming the island as buscemi w a belly and ewan on some selfparody and i will see it trust me

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link

i actually was really into the rock when i saw it (in paris!!) but since then he's totally left me cold (armaggedon) or faintly disgusted (bad boys 2, pearl harbor), or, more recently, bemused (the island)

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link

when i saw the rock it ws just dope there existed a motorcycle, tall metrox willowy director and i had a piggy bank for the like $150 laserdisc and now i think the great thing is there just arent that many explosions, and still all the sf and traz baggage and locations. my mouths watering at some slight of hand, baffling michael b yeah, lost in the silicon grap

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:18 (eighteen years ago) link

also in re true lies, i hope its obvious, yes i do think its fun to watch and geniunely funny, and sexy, at times, but also interesting insofar as what it does that isnt done anymore, its often apologetic, i think, and insofar as terrorism, skyscrapers. tia. it isnt unique but its early w current events. that is i kind of really dig its um innocence lost aspect, dont think this thread is really abt discussing shit that is conventionally good exactly, but abt taste, i like movies when theyre social

i dont even know if stupid is a pejorative at this pt

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:44 (eighteen years ago) link

genuinely too

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:45 (eighteen years ago) link

when i say a movie is stupid i tend to be talking about poor story construction!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah that makes sense, i dunno, i mean im all for praising a movie that like comes together or full circle or smthng formal or even gimmicky at the end but there are so many things that bother me abt shitty movies beside the arc that i dont think abt it, stupidity, in that context, but really i dont know what you mean by story construction, altho id like to! and yeah i realise i just wrote, shitty movies, as if it ws well agreed upon, i just mean the ones i scoff at or something, shit w daniel day lewis etc

stupid v thoughtless, maybe?

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link

[...]
ratcatcher
the sacrifice
ginger snaps
[...]

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 17 July 2005 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link

aliens!

cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 17 July 2005 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link

aliens is like doing for instance shots and instead of wincing at the alcohol in yr mouth you feel it swimming i mean laps, waving in your belly, like the drank ws ahead of u buckling up, seat belts, ready to drill in

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 05:46 (eighteen years ago) link

i went to the internet and there are alot lot of sacrifices

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 05:47 (eighteen years ago) link

say a thing abt ginger snaps!

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 05:48 (eighteen years ago) link

picking one i love from each decade that hasn't yet appeared on the thread, just to make it more fun for me:

-- A Trip to the Moon
-- Les Vampires
-- Pandora's Box
-- Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde
-- Laura
-- Eyes Without a Face
-- Yojimbo
-- Cabaret
-- My 20th Century
-- Cyclo
-- Dogville

(tip of the hat to those who flagged The Thin Man, Bringing Up Baby, Mildred Pierce, Late Spring, McCabe and Mrs. Miller, and Over the Edge before me)

I can't do most hated of the top of my head, and devoting time to trying to think of things I hate seems like a waste. But Natural Born Killers would be on the list, I'm pretty sure.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 17 July 2005 06:32 (eighteen years ago) link

GYPSY OTM. ASIDE FROM KNEEJERK NBK SHIT

i mean, i dunno if its straight dismissable, like that. but i like dogville and les vampires. and reluctantly eyes wo a face if its not like i have to agree its the best 50s movie. also um, im pretty indifferent to 7 sam and ran. am i being a dick, is there meat, a moist like well wetness, to kurosawa, to yojimbo, or is he for ppl whod rather see movies as photography and remember the title vs the pose

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 07:01 (eighteen years ago) link

007 i hope i don't sound like a film snob dick cos i'm really not, honest, but please explain why you've got mail is awesome and kurosawa is for people who [whatever you said, i don't quite get it].

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 17 July 2005 07:15 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean YOU'VE GOT MAIL? if you'd said spiceworld was better than seven samurai i'd be like "right on," but come on!!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 17 July 2005 07:16 (eighteen years ago) link

haha maybe its a usa thing and ive maybe only seen it in passing but i remember treasuring youve got mail so much and really automaticlally putting it past shop round the corner. theres such a percentage chance its down to a meg ryan hairstyle too. spiceworld is also great of course. but also i mean, i own seven sam, im staring at it, cross, i regret it. ive made kids buy the kuro lot cuz theyve ben like, intricately or nudgingly into akira, im still kind of buying his rep, just never liked anything, remotely

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 07:23 (eighteen years ago) link

but yeah, i guess no one here has defended or advocated kurosawa, w meat, fuck him

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 07:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean like, i remember watching youve got mail w a dude whos older bro ws varsity qb but this kid cld harly kick despite being like reasonable in a tub photograph and thats ok w me

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 07:29 (eighteen years ago) link

b-b-but shop around the corner is really sad and funny! even not mentioning jimmy stewart and margaret sullavan (which is hard when they're being implicitly compared to meg fucking ryan and especially tom fucking hanks!!), there's all those hilarious minor characters, whereas really all YGM has on its side is parker posey.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 17 July 2005 07:33 (eighteen years ago) link

kurosawa is one thing but i'll be fucked if i let a cross word be said about ERNST LUBITSCH.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 17 July 2005 07:36 (eighteen years ago) link

haha dont worry im a sucker and everything. i did like youve got mail but i maybe have2 see it again before i get like presumptious. kate and leopold is better easily! altho this, marg sullivan beats meg ryan thing kind of rubs me!

jd i hope that isnt a quip abt how im misspelling everything, im trying, and, whats more, like ernst so much!

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 07:38 (eighteen years ago) link

indeed tho youve got mail isnt sad, sorted

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 07:44 (eighteen years ago) link

oh it's ok, it's not even my favorite lubitsch come to think of it (ninotchka and to be or not to be are better, i should have put either of those in my top 10). no, no quip intended, i quite like your posts, they're a breath of fresh air around these parts.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 17 July 2005 07:47 (eighteen years ago) link

thx im trying. its difficult for me to rent such ernsts like ninotchka cuz late fees, but im desperate for em, all the same

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 07:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I've defended Kurosawa (my favourite director) and Seven Samurai (my favourite movie). There's a short piece by me on that film on Freaky Trigger, if you care to search. It's not a very good piece, or terribly illuminating.

Some people in these parts will realise how badly I react to the critical move from 'this film is shit/I hate it because' to 'this is the kind of film wrongly liked by people who,' and we see big steps towards the latter above.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 17 July 2005 08:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I see what yr driving out re. Kurosawa, 007. My first thought this morning is it's about the beauty of austerity: not much "meat" in say Seven Samurai because it's about an ethic which is almost the inverse of traditional Western humanism. On the other hand tho you've got Yojimbo or Hidden Fortress which seem to me to be v. humanistic, albeit from a different tradition. Then I was going to say the trickster who plays one side off against the other but I remembered Odysseus and wondered if it's such a unique/different tradition after all?

(Mumbles some stuff about Zen and empty beauty which is urgent and key but not easy to convey on a Sunday morning.)

Scream! Scrovula, Scream! (noodle vague), Sunday, 17 July 2005 09:00 (eighteen years ago) link

another of my favorites is distant voices, still lives.

that's three gay directors--minnelli, eisenstein, davies--if you're keeping count, anthony.

i kid, i kid.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 17 July 2005 09:17 (eighteen years ago) link

"The Long Day Closes" is just as good imo.

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 17 July 2005 10:47 (eighteen years ago) link

do you think eisenstein was gay? i have read a couple of essays but i remain unconvinced.

and minelli liked pussy to much to be totally a cocksucker. (though really judy garlands pussy was the dmz of that war wasnt it?

anthony, Sunday, 17 July 2005 12:35 (eighteen years ago) link

On the other hand tho you've got Yojimbo or Hidden Fortress which seem to me to be v. humanistic

Kurosawa's def. a humanist, but usually in a completely unsentimental way. I love how his movies are full of schemers and backstabbers(like the whole village in Yojimbo, or the two schleps in Fortress, the 3PO/R2 characters), and all the Mifune characters who are mostly in it for the money (although not in Fortress). I like the humor in his movies, although it's not there in all of them (his two Shakespeare adaptations are pretty grim straight through). And his movies move, there's an aliveness that I always forget until I sit down to watch them again.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 17 July 2005 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

(and 007, right, I don't actually mean Eyes Without a Face is Best of the '50s, just what popped into my head from that decade; my second choice was A Face in the Crowd)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 17 July 2005 13:58 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah im sry i totally inflated that kurosawa shit from a night i came home and ran ws on and it seemed just deadserious and ebert and locked up, while even say the costumes i remember fondly. and there is humor in seven sam sure and probably caregiving and caretaking too. i like that, that they move, sidescroll, v spacial, putting the sky on wheels

007 (thoia), Sunday, 17 July 2005 17:57 (eighteen years ago) link

i didn't really care for ninotchka! but to be or not to be is one of my favourite movies.

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 17 July 2005 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link

eisenstein was sort of tortured (he tried certain therapies to get rid of his homosexual urges), and he slept with plenty of women, but he also had affairs w/men, yes.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 17 July 2005 18:57 (eighteen years ago) link

bad ones cont.
Being There
Capturing the Friedmans
Roger & Me
Clerks
Peeping Tom (Powell)

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Sunday, 17 July 2005 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Kurosawa Dodes’ ka-den - C/D? I saw it at least six years ago and hardly remember much other than.. it was incredibly weird and kind of.. garish, maybe?

daria g (daria g), Monday, 18 July 2005 00:43 (eighteen years ago) link

ooh, add to my least faves: Bowling For Columbine.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 18 July 2005 00:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I like The Dreamers.

Just wanted to say that.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 July 2005 00:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I mean, it wasn't amazing, but I enjoyed it.


As you were.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Monday, 18 July 2005 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Michael Pitt has the most annoying screen presence I can think of. Every role has been downhill since Dawson's Creek.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 18 July 2005 00:56 (eighteen years ago) link


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