TS: Pavement / Smashing Pumpkins

or maybe he is, I dunno. did he get songwriting/publishing credits?

had the pumpkins quit after siamese dream and were billy not a tremendous asshole then . . . maybe

on some things.

also you spend all yr money on heroin and also being a dick - tough luck. other pavement bros were bros, more likely to be dudes you want to help out when they need it

pavement

i am sorry for the infinite sadness of people who do not get why

the pavement reunion show was grebt but seeing spiral was kind of sad

stevon malkie and the infinite slackness

Yeah Spiral looks like he could be everyone else's dad. Maybe not Westie.

pumpkins had the better drummer, i'll give em that

i wouldn't doubt if smashing pumpkins was a kiss-type deal where billy was the band financially and the other members were just paid employees

Well, weren't they? Corgan boasted, half sheepishly, that he played all the guitar and a lot of the bass on those early records.

yeah I thought that was the deal

The Pumpkins got better after the shaved head! Funny how some Pumpkins fans don't remember their early days, when they weren't bad at all, but probably kind of "sucked" by stadium rock terms.

this is madness

(voted Walt Mink)

I have never gotten what everybody thinks is so special about Jimmy Chamberlin's drumming. was completely surprised a few years ago to find he's entered the legions of "drum heroes" at Guitar Center, for ex.

I mean he's not bad, but I have a similar head-scratching reaction whenever a drummer praises U2's rhythm section

yeah i just wasn't 100 percent sure but that was my impression

plus obv they wouldn't get songwriting or publishing, but if he played everything than d'arcy and james wouldn't get ANY royalties right?

just the gig money then, but yeah i bet they made remarkably little for being in what was p much the biggest band on earth for a minute

(voted Walt Mink)

― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, February 9, 2011 6:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hahahahaha

now walt mink those dudes could fuckin' PLAY man

spiral looked like paul simon (now), while sm looked suitably indie rock-god-ish

i know i've said this elsewhere on ilm but jimmy chamberlain is a boring boring drummer

he's no kenny aronoff

Iha apparently has enough money to run a studio and a boutique label so I guess he isn't living out of a dumpster just yet

Pretty sure Iha has a couple songwriting credits on Mellon Collie.

stephen malkmus is a babe

pavement

i am sorry for the infinite sadness of people who do not get why

― da croupier, Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:11 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm

Pumpkins easily. I still listen to Mellon Collie and Siamese Dream a lot, and I'm even a fan of that Aeroplane cash-in boxset ("Cherry"! "Tribute to Johnny"! Prety much every song on the "Tonight Tonight" single!). I still find it amazing that Billy could write like forty amazing songs in the span of two years, and nothing even remotely resembling an amazing song whatsoever for the next sixteen.

Pavement were never really my thing. I like "Summer Babe," "Stop Breathin'," "Perfume V," "Texas Never Whispers," and "In the Mouth of a Desert," but that's about it.

my dad thought pavement were some band from school's demo tape i had, and was quite shocked that they were a proper signed act.

"your mate does a good american accent... v sloppy playing, tho."

For all the abuse Pavement get for "not properly playing" or whatever, to my ears they sound closer -- in songwriting and feel -- to the studio rock I love from the seventies than the Pumpkins.

no, true. i love them. there's a clip on a documentary were some german journalist basically tells them that. "you are brinking ze rock back!"

pavement had one song where you can actually feel something: "In the Mouth a Desert". smashing pumpkins has at the very least: "1979", "tonight" and "thirty-three". not even their rock songs but at least they are memorable

Pavement was a decent (if still overrated act) up to and sort of including S&E (which was still decent, but god knows nothing as special as it was made out to be). After that they basically sucked. The Smashing Pumpkins always sucked.

I think the people that like pavement somehow get something out of the guy's voice. Whether they can relate to it or whatever. I don't know what

but relating to a voice can be a big cause for liking something music-wise

You're forgetting something: Billy Corgan's reedy thin whine/yelp.

Whining is '30 Seconds to Mars' and a bunch of contemporary rock. Corgan's growl sounds more like holding out a long nasalized note than whining (or something to that effect).

and his shitty middle school journal lyrics

xp

"corgan's growl"??

ultimately pavement is bro music

the further i get out from when Smashing Pumpkins were at their peak, the more i appreciate how great their best stuff was. and with each passing year, i wonder more and more why the hell i ever liked Pavement enough to own all of their albums, shit just has no use to me outside of a handful of songs that only occasionally sound good.

xp

...bros that go to coffee shops to play scrabble

hahaha

bros who go home to fuck other bros

lol

TS: smugness vs megalomania

bro life is a kaleidescope of experiences: scrabble, gay sex, preston school of industry, alcoholism, horse racing

"corgan's growl"??

― mookieproof,

corgan's howl*

he growls like a ninny. awful

"corgan's howl"

^^if this was a broadway rock opera based on the ginsberg joint, now we'd be in business!

despite all my rage i am still just a bitchy bald dude

that doesn't rhyme :-/

despite all my gold soundz i am a neutered git

bullshit fuckin poll

yeah Pavement should have won in a Reagan/FDR-type 49-state landslide.

What director would you want to work with?

At one point I almost worked with Darren Aronofsky. It didn't work out, but it was nothing bad, just didn't happen. I'd love to work with him because I think he really gets it, music wise. Scorsese. I don't think he knows I exist, but he has such an incredibly intuitive understanding of how to put music in film.

I think about that scene in "Mean Streets" with Harvey Keitel all the time, where the camera is fixed to him as he rolls into the bar and the Rolling Stones are playing, it's magic.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, I mean as a musician, I die for that moment. It just doesn't get any better than that. I would also love to just sit and listen to him break down a scene from his perspective. And Tarantino too.

What film would you live inside of, if you could?

I've been living in the film "Andrei Rublev" by (Andrei) Tarkovsky for about 15 years (laughs). It's a beautiful film about art, about being an artist. It's set in, you know, 1600's Russia, or sometime equally bleak.

http://www.ifc.com/news/2011/07/billy-corgan-and-the-fools-journey-pt-2.php

I'm still upset this wasn't a draw.

Round 2: Neil Hagerty vs. Pumpkins

https://twitter.com/TheHowlingHex/status/820748333094502400

hmm... Billy is not a Trump supporter

is that what Alex Jones told you

oh, please. the only times I've ever listened or watched Infowars have been when Billy was a guest. he's never said anything hateful or discriminatory on there, it's all very hippy dippy spiritual stuff. and yeah, he's bought gold in bulk before, distilled water etc... he's a bit cuckoo. but not hateful. he's a contrarian and a conspiracy theorist, can't deny that.