TS: Pavement / Smashing Pumpkins

Pavement was a decent (if still overrated act) up to and sort of including S&E (which was still decent, but god knows nothing as special as it was made out to be). After that they basically sucked. The Smashing Pumpkins always sucked.

I think the people that like pavement somehow get something out of the guy's voice. Whether they can relate to it or whatever. I don't know what

but relating to a voice can be a big cause for liking something music-wise

You're forgetting something: Billy Corgan's reedy thin whine/yelp.

Whining is '30 Seconds to Mars' and a bunch of contemporary rock. Corgan's growl sounds more like holding out a long nasalized note than whining (or something to that effect).

and his shitty middle school journal lyrics

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"corgan's growl"??

ultimately pavement is bro music

the further i get out from when Smashing Pumpkins were at their peak, the more i appreciate how great their best stuff was. and with each passing year, i wonder more and more why the hell i ever liked Pavement enough to own all of their albums, shit just has no use to me outside of a handful of songs that only occasionally sound good.

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...bros that go to coffee shops to play scrabble

hahaha

bros who go home to fuck other bros

lol

TS: smugness vs megalomania

bro life is a kaleidescope of experiences: scrabble, gay sex, preston school of industry, alcoholism, horse racing

"corgan's growl"??

― mookieproof,

corgan's howl*

he growls like a ninny. awful

"corgan's howl"

^^if this was a broadway rock opera based on the ginsberg joint, now we'd be in business!

despite all my rage i am still just a bitchy bald dude

that doesn't rhyme :-/

despite all my gold soundz i am a neutered git

despite all my rage i will not come to terms with my age

despite how i squeal i am still just a mouse in a wheel

Intoxicated by the badness
I'm in love with my lameness

we need our balls balls balls balls balls balls back right now

I like where this thread is heading

http://www.pvusd.net/schools/central_zone/rolling_hills_middle_school/images/rollinghills-sign.jpg

what about the voice of billy c

i wonder if he speaks like an ordinary guy?

I fucked him and he doesn't.

you fucked him with your pussy

kool kids never had the whine

that's not fair. pavement don't have any memorable lyrics

their lyrics also make fun of smashing pumpkins

this thread took a turn for the awesome

I/it has no function.

lorax straight tearing holes in u dudes

i loved pumpkins as a kid, never got into pavement at all. went back to siamese dream once and other than disarm which is still goth power ballad 4eva it was really clunky leaden shit

I love this clip. The end where he apologizes for his shitty singing is quite a treat. btw there are endless amounts "Pavement Shreds" youtube clips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDtZousQsME

real lols

Lorax just became one of my favourite posters

despite all my rage I am still just a latter-day saint

Pavement are the progenitors of 'ugh indie'.

pavement

i am sorry for the infinite sadness of people who do not get why

― da croupier, Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:11 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

pavement:american 1990s :: wallace stevens:american 1950s

one of my friends hates everything after S&E b/c malkmus's voice is "too pretty" or "too pop" or something, I forget exactly how he put it but either way that's a pretty dumb thing to say

1979 > pavement's entire career (which I like!)

Keep my ass-ness to yourself

(btw i know it's sorta predictable that pavement had to fall from the lofty heights of indie sacred-cow status they occupied ~10 yrs ago... but that doesn't make the hateration any more comprehensible to me)

Actually the Stevens comparison interests me. Care to elaborate?

"i hear they live in crematoria and smoke your remains" one of the best lines malkmus ever wrote. out of many, many good ones. the line about smashing pumpkins, on the other hand, one of the weakest lines he wrote.

i rate myself punkin sympathizer but this is not even close.