TS: Pavement / Smashing Pumpkins

we need our balls balls balls balls balls balls back right now

I like where this thread is heading

http://www.pvusd.net/schools/central_zone/rolling_hills_middle_school/images/rollinghills-sign.jpg

what about the voice of billy c

i wonder if he speaks like an ordinary guy?

I fucked him and he doesn't.

you fucked him with your pussy

kool kids never had the whine

that's not fair. pavement don't have any memorable lyrics

their lyrics also make fun of smashing pumpkins

this thread took a turn for the awesome

I/it has no function.

lorax straight tearing holes in u dudes

i loved pumpkins as a kid, never got into pavement at all. went back to siamese dream once and other than disarm which is still goth power ballad 4eva it was really clunky leaden shit

I love this clip. The end where he apologizes for his shitty singing is quite a treat. btw there are endless amounts "Pavement Shreds" youtube clips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDtZousQsME

real lols

Lorax just became one of my favourite posters

despite all my rage I am still just a latter-day saint

Pavement are the progenitors of 'ugh indie'.

pavement

i am sorry for the infinite sadness of people who do not get why

― da croupier, Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:11 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

pavement:american 1990s :: wallace stevens:american 1950s

one of my friends hates everything after S&E b/c malkmus's voice is "too pretty" or "too pop" or something, I forget exactly how he put it but either way that's a pretty dumb thing to say

1979 > pavement's entire career (which I like!)

Keep my ass-ness to yourself

(btw i know it's sorta predictable that pavement had to fall from the lofty heights of indie sacred-cow status they occupied ~10 yrs ago... but that doesn't make the hateration any more comprehensible to me)

Actually the Stevens comparison interests me. Care to elaborate?

"i hear they live in crematoria and smoke your remains" one of the best lines malkmus ever wrote. out of many, many good ones. the line about smashing pumpkins, on the other hand, one of the weakest lines he wrote.

i rate myself punkin sympathizer but this is not even close.

Pavement was a decent (if still overrated act) up to and sort of including S&E

Haha, I love/hate sentences like this one. "They were pretty good up until people got the opportunity to hear them on record!"

The-Pavement: Slant Me All Summer/Enchant Me All Winter

They were pretty good up until people got the opportunity to hear them on record!

this sums up my experience with Pavement to a T.

Actually the Stevens comparison interests me. Care to elaborate?

― uh oh i'm having an aneurysm (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:14 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark

1. immediate (or immediately posthumous) canonization by similar demographic (intelligent, vaguely-dissatisfied white college bros);
2. quiet, unglamorous lifestyle and public image (indie rock = resistance of 'art' as vocation?); and
3. a certain self-awareness in Malkmus' lyrics that affects me in the same way as Stevens' meta-poetic reflections

(nb i don't know all that much about wallace stevens)

lol for some reason I read Wallace Stevens as Wallace Shawn

"i hear they live in crematoria and smoke yr remains" is a line that sounds like it could be from some Modernist poet

otoh the lyrics to Gold Soundz and Cut Yr Hair (and Range Life for that matter) seems like some self-reflexive bullshit to me

((also I am thinking much more abt the last 3 or 4 albums than S&E))

excellent malkmus lyrics:

Glance
Don't stare
Soon you're being told to recognize your heirs [Ed.—could also be "airs" I suppose]

No
Not me
I'm an island of such great complexity

Stress
surrounds
in the muddy peaceful center of this town

Tell
me off
in the hotel lobby, right in front of
all the bellboys and the overfriendly concierge.

The gauzy thoughts
of the sturdy Scots
wrestle with the elements up on the trail high;
I need to know,
where does it go,
how do I get there, and what will I find?

obviously these all work better as song lyrics but well y'know

also I really love certain aspects of their songwriting, the weird left-turns which are sometimes just plain brilliant, like the hang before the chorus in "Shady Lane" that gives Malkmus time to squeeze in a few more syllables before the tension finally breaks

the edge of creation is blurred and blushed

Malkmus has so many great lines. Corgan has pretty much none, it's all high-school level notebook poetry. Corgan's strengths were primarily as a studio tech - shaping the Pumpkins sound with all those weird, layered guitars. It's clear he focused most on the craft of recording - arranging guitar parts, fiddling to find the right combo of hyper-compressed and overdriven rhythm guitars, etc. But Malkie is the superior writer in every way.

Alex Ross wrote a New Yorker article in '97 in which he made self-satisfied Ashbery comparisons.

um Pavement's '97 album title is taken from Ashbery iirc

so Malkmus kinda explicitly invited those comparisons

yeah was gonna say, not the craziest comparison in the world.

wld like to read that new yorker article if it's online

I have "self-portrait in a convex mirror" sitting open on my desk beside me — I like the idea of long-ass poems but rarely want to put in the effort to actually read them. this is pretty good so far tho.

wasn't "church on white" about a poet?

I thought that was about some dead buddy of his... also, perhaps coincidentally, the last decent song I heard from him.

man now i really wanna know who the Wallace Shawn of 90s rock is.

think church on white is supposed to be about robert bingham, who founded open city magazine, and was an author.

i think billy corgan is the wallace shawn of 90s rock? both so bald anyway.

^^^lol

um Pavement's '97 album title is taken from Ashbery iirc

It's not. Malkmus said at the time that he loved "Hotel Lautreaumont," but I'll check my Ashbery selected poems when I get home.