scientology & celebrities

too lazy to search but maybe a defend the indefensible?

I guess envisioning Isaac Hayes and Incredible String Band jamming together would give me ever-so-slight pause before GTFO.

the online one doesn't have any additional content to the print one, does it?

under "related links" there are links to an audio interview with the article's author, plus copies of documents such as lrh's military records

copies of documents such as lrh's military records

oh man. that's gotta burn Davis & co

I guess envisioning Isaac Hayes and Incredible String Band jamming together..

^ this reminds me: if you missed it at the time & you have a taste for CoS schadenfreude, you really should check out the skewering that South Park did a few years back & also the subsequent 'response' episode to Isaac Hayes leaving the show as a result of the ensuing controversy.

both eps are online in full:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s09e12-trapped-in-the-closet
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s10e01-the-return-of-chef

I fuck with the first few post-CoS Incredible String Band records.

will never forgive these fuckers for essentially working isaac hayes into an early grave.

the musical chairs part freaked me out, except

According to Rathbun, Miscavige came to the Hole one evening and announced that everyone was going to play musical chairs. Only the last person standing would be allowed to stay on the base. He declared that people whose spouses “were not participants would have their marriages terminated.” The St. Petersburg Times noted that Miscavige played Queen’s “Bohemian Rhapsody” on a boom box as the church leaders fought over the chairs, punching each other and, in one case, ripping a chair apart.

surely the last person sitting would win a game of musical chairs? is this the most unfortunate misuse of a phrase ever? how did nobody sub this? not criticising just find it amusing.

last person physically able to stand up and walk to a chair

and sit down?

The weirdest thing is, of all the stories to confirm, the game of musical chairs is one thing Tommy Davis does confirm!

My favorite part of the South Park episodes was the THIS IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE text

I like the last line the best

did they get sued for that? and if not, how did they manage to avoid it?

They got threatened like crazy, Tom Cruise refused to do any press junkets on Comedy Central-related stations for War of the Worlds, iirc. I don't think they can sue because the episode really is what Scientologists believe, and the Tom Cruise / Travolta bits are satire.

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Furthermore, says Wright, the notice of separation that the church provided was signed by a man who never existed.

never existed on earth perhaps, but elsewhere ........

there are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics

Won't scroll through the thread to see if it's been posted, but The New Yorker just published an article about Paul Haggis' adventures in Scientology.

lol

A few years ago i dl'ed some Scientology video on The Reactive Mind and becoming a Clear and it was about some guy in a car accident being affected by the things people were saying around him, even though he was unconscious. There's another video that leaked, which is basically just a really generic sales pitch with a few famous faces at the very end. Has any truly crazy Scientology insider videos leaked in the past few years? And no, I mean beside Battlefield Earth ;-)

there's a pretty famous video of Cruise speaking at a Scieno event

Cannot recommend it enough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMvAXpq7Xj4

Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help. Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help. Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help. Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help. Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help. Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help.

holy shit that tom cruise youtube totally comes off as a parody

too surreal to be parody imo

Make sure you get to the part in the third part of the video wherein they heal 9/11 workers by extracting purple fluid from them.

An aside from this conversation: interesting how Tony Robbins has gone from, in his 1980s infomercial incarnation, being cult-ish and mysterious-to-all-but-those-who-pay to being more of a performance self-help guru. He still has similar intense energy as these guys, but without the e-meter.

(from the yahoo piece)

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---------How do these freaks keep their tax exempt status as a religion?
They protect all related literature as a Corportation.. which pretty much nullifies the entire concept of Non-Profit, and they raise their followers in tiers based on how much MONEY they've put into the "church."

Their entire "religion" is from SCIENCE FICTION literature. There is no Faith or Religion to it, only a pyramid scheme.

Cross your fingers!

http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/p-t-anderson-may-have-funding-for-inherent-vice-the-master/

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http://valleywag.gawker.com/#!337723/megan-ellison-loves-the-ladies-just-like-dad

Their entire "religion" is from SCIENCE FICTION literature. There is no Faith or Religion to it, only a pyramid scheme.

Yes, but repeatedly during that long Tom Cruise thing he alludes to things he 'knows' about the real nature of reality, things only Scientologists know. Makes me wonder if once you get to OT III or whatever it is, they drug you up and take you to a room where you experience some serious planet-hopping shit like from the end of "They Live!"

There certainly seems to be faith in something -- faith in the LRH technologies, faith in the idea that psychiatry is a massive $$$-farming conspiracy, faith in the idea that you have a duty to help others. Certainly no more absurd than weekly cannibalistic rituals and thinking if you believe in Jesus right before you die (not the abstract concept of love & eternity, mind you, only a physical person), you go to heaven.

The conviction in his voice is very convincing. Tho yeah he's 'the greatest actor in the world' so maybe that should be expected. Btw it is pretty bizarre to think according to Scientology rating system Tom Cruise is essentially more spiritually evolved than Jesus or Buddha.

..Tom Cruise is essentially more spiritually evolved than Jesus or Buddha.

shhh don't tell Keanu

http://www.corporate-aliens.com/quotes/siddhartha.jpg

xp that was the thing about though... he doesn't sound at all authentic in that video, he sounds like he's just another character from one of his movies.

yeah, like this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCEYxs7kWmQ&feature=related

uh basically nsfw for peeps who haven't seen that

The credit for that movie really should read, "Tom Cruise: Himself".

lol the irony of PTA making a Scientology movie after putting Cruise in Magnolia - I wonder if working with Cruise is what gave him the idea

it's weird to me that people claim to be able to tell when an actor is being himself and when he's acting

I take it as a given that actors are ALWAYS acting

ie, they are psychopaths

ime actors are usually a lot more stable in-character than irl

Everyone is always acting.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/pelican-books/276-1.jpg

I just looked up the Wikipedia page. Holy crap is it long:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology

Tbh at this point i'm more interested in the mystical (or at least cosmological) side of Scientology. Is there an origin to the universe story? Is there a creator? Are they a personal or abstract concept? From my initial impressions it seems like Scientology mainly riffs on reincarnation stuff from things like Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. along w the space aliens, which doesn't really seem all that impressive. You could probably find hundreds of reincarnation/space alien cults in Northern California alone. Why is Scientology so special? Are there any truly original ideas? Or is the presentation as a "science/techology"-based religion the main reason it has found so many fans....?

it's special because of the way it's organized, marketed and implemented - its cosmology is basically a really shitty pulp sci-fi book from the 50s.

like I don't think the OT III Xenu stuff is really what attracts members. the feel-good mumbo jumbo and promises of improved wealth/health are what get people

guessing it's that plus some really basic "tech" (like the relationship stuff and the study tech mentioned in the nyer article) that show people some early impact. present that as if it's part of a consistent whole and people feel like they've found The Way.

what really intrigues me is the lingo and acronyms -- has a real 50's pentagon/bureaucratic feel. just normal words Capitalized and given this heavy significance.

ha just remembered this shit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Process_Church_of_The_Final_Judgment

In the primordial past, thetans brought the material universe into being largely for their own pleasure. The universe has no independent reality, but derives its apparent reality from the fact that most thetans agree it exists. Thetans fell from grace when they began to identify with their creation, rather than their original state of spiritual purity. Eventually they lost their memory of their true nature, along with the associated spiritual and creative powers. As a result, thetans came to think of themselves as nothing but embodied beings.

I mean, you could more or less find this exact theory among late 19th century Orientalist/Spiritualists.

I totally agree, terminology seems to be very important. Note how much Tom Cruise talks about 'technology'.

I imagine that "auditing" does have immediate positive effects, since it's basically cognitive behavioral therapy. The trouble is the layers of bullshit they pile on top of that.