scientology & celebrities

A few years ago i dl'ed some Scientology video on The Reactive Mind and becoming a Clear and it was about some guy in a car accident being affected by the things people were saying around him, even though he was unconscious. There's another video that leaked, which is basically just a really generic sales pitch with a few famous faces at the very end. Has any truly crazy Scientology insider videos leaked in the past few years? And no, I mean beside Battlefield Earth ;-)

there's a pretty famous video of Cruise speaking at a Scieno event

Cannot recommend it enough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMvAXpq7Xj4

Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help. Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help. Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help. Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help. Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help. Being a Scientologist, when you drive past an accident.. you know you have to do something about it because you know you are the only one that can really help.

holy shit that tom cruise youtube totally comes off as a parody

too surreal to be parody imo

Make sure you get to the part in the third part of the video wherein they heal 9/11 workers by extracting purple fluid from them.

An aside from this conversation: interesting how Tony Robbins has gone from, in his 1980s infomercial incarnation, being cult-ish and mysterious-to-all-but-those-who-pay to being more of a performance self-help guru. He still has similar intense energy as these guys, but without the e-meter.

(from the yahoo piece)

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---------How do these freaks keep their tax exempt status as a religion?
They protect all related literature as a Corportation.. which pretty much nullifies the entire concept of Non-Profit, and they raise their followers in tiers based on how much MONEY they've put into the "church."

Their entire "religion" is from SCIENCE FICTION literature. There is no Faith or Religion to it, only a pyramid scheme.

Cross your fingers!

http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/p-t-anderson-may-have-funding-for-inherent-vice-the-master/

megan ellison sounds intersting

http://valleywag.gawker.com/#!337723/megan-ellison-loves-the-ladies-just-like-dad

Their entire "religion" is from SCIENCE FICTION literature. There is no Faith or Religion to it, only a pyramid scheme.

Yes, but repeatedly during that long Tom Cruise thing he alludes to things he 'knows' about the real nature of reality, things only Scientologists know. Makes me wonder if once you get to OT III or whatever it is, they drug you up and take you to a room where you experience some serious planet-hopping shit like from the end of "They Live!"

There certainly seems to be faith in something -- faith in the LRH technologies, faith in the idea that psychiatry is a massive $$$-farming conspiracy, faith in the idea that you have a duty to help others. Certainly no more absurd than weekly cannibalistic rituals and thinking if you believe in Jesus right before you die (not the abstract concept of love & eternity, mind you, only a physical person), you go to heaven.

The conviction in his voice is very convincing. Tho yeah he's 'the greatest actor in the world' so maybe that should be expected. Btw it is pretty bizarre to think according to Scientology rating system Tom Cruise is essentially more spiritually evolved than Jesus or Buddha.

..Tom Cruise is essentially more spiritually evolved than Jesus or Buddha.

shhh don't tell Keanu

http://www.corporate-aliens.com/quotes/siddhartha.jpg

xp that was the thing about though... he doesn't sound at all authentic in that video, he sounds like he's just another character from one of his movies.

yeah, like this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCEYxs7kWmQ&feature=related

uh basically nsfw for peeps who haven't seen that

The credit for that movie really should read, "Tom Cruise: Himself".

lol the irony of PTA making a Scientology movie after putting Cruise in Magnolia - I wonder if working with Cruise is what gave him the idea

it's weird to me that people claim to be able to tell when an actor is being himself and when he's acting

I take it as a given that actors are ALWAYS acting

ie, they are psychopaths

ime actors are usually a lot more stable in-character than irl

Everyone is always acting.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/pelican-books/276-1.jpg

I just looked up the Wikipedia page. Holy crap is it long:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology

Tbh at this point i'm more interested in the mystical (or at least cosmological) side of Scientology. Is there an origin to the universe story? Is there a creator? Are they a personal or abstract concept? From my initial impressions it seems like Scientology mainly riffs on reincarnation stuff from things like Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. along w the space aliens, which doesn't really seem all that impressive. You could probably find hundreds of reincarnation/space alien cults in Northern California alone. Why is Scientology so special? Are there any truly original ideas? Or is the presentation as a "science/techology"-based religion the main reason it has found so many fans....?

it's special because of the way it's organized, marketed and implemented - its cosmology is basically a really shitty pulp sci-fi book from the 50s.

like I don't think the OT III Xenu stuff is really what attracts members. the feel-good mumbo jumbo and promises of improved wealth/health are what get people

guessing it's that plus some really basic "tech" (like the relationship stuff and the study tech mentioned in the nyer article) that show people some early impact. present that as if it's part of a consistent whole and people feel like they've found The Way.

what really intrigues me is the lingo and acronyms -- has a real 50's pentagon/bureaucratic feel. just normal words Capitalized and given this heavy significance.

ha just remembered this shit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Process_Church_of_The_Final_Judgment

In the primordial past, thetans brought the material universe into being largely for their own pleasure. The universe has no independent reality, but derives its apparent reality from the fact that most thetans agree it exists. Thetans fell from grace when they began to identify with their creation, rather than their original state of spiritual purity. Eventually they lost their memory of their true nature, along with the associated spiritual and creative powers. As a result, thetans came to think of themselves as nothing but embodied beings.

I mean, you could more or less find this exact theory among late 19th century Orientalist/Spiritualists.

I totally agree, terminology seems to be very important. Note how much Tom Cruise talks about 'technology'.

I imagine that "auditing" does have immediate positive effects, since it's basically cognitive behavioral therapy. The trouble is the layers of bullshit they pile on top of that.

And also obviously the slave labor, the beatings, the bankrupting of members, etc etc etc.

"Oh, right, the beatings, I always forget."

http://www.skillecosystem.net/images/dr_zoidberg.jpg

Yeah auditing is basically psychotherapy, case closed. Good to have that cleared up

A certain person from here posted this and that is a fine and good thing:

http://gawker.com/#!5757676/the-best-scientology-video-youll-see-today

But never -- *ever* -- ignore the joy of:

http://www. ronthemusicmaker. org

(Spaces included to prevent those goofs from following us back here. But trust me.)

xp I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not.

"via minge"

As are we all.

It's so great that there appears to be no corner of human experience that old LRH left unexplored. The more you read, the more you get reminded of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-mO_gGh3MA

Oh, shit, I smell an ILM poll a-comin'

For an insight into what made the Mission Earth album so special, rock legend Edgar Winter was to comment, “Up until my work on Mission Earth I had not been aware that Ron had a particular interest in rock music. But when I read his research I was amazed at what I found. Ron analyzed the history and development of rock music and came up with the exact formula of what makes a hit rock song. It was unlike anything I’d ever read before and made total sense to me.” The following, then, is Ron’s analysis and study of the “ins and outs” of rock, which formed the basis of the Mission Earth album. Written in February 1984, it is published here for the first time.

http://cdn2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/111/391/782/WbfU.jpg

I hate to keep posting but this motherfucker is on a total Hongro tip here!

One could go into a lengthy discussion of various rock stars but it would begin to lead back to the Beatles and Presley and their records are hot sellers even today.

But this point can be made concerning the beginning of careers of the real stars of rock. It has been observed that the real giant stars burst into huge, long-lasting fame at an exact point in their careers: They used orchestral backup. And the Beatles were actually playing and recording classical backed up by an orchestra even though you see the four of them out there in front. Their producer, George Martin, was a classical man, who also did most of the arranging. (He was called the “fifth Beatle.”) From this a point can be concluded: That rock stars and rock groups who back up with an orchestral have lasting duration. This is a new observation arrived at by somebody who is a student of this sort of thing and it seems to check out. Three or four electric guitars are not the background which make lasting rock stars. Thus one can conclude that successful rock employs not just a twanging gimmick or two but a whole, well-skilled orchestra as backup. This is true of singers and music in other fields: You should hear the orchestral backup in terms of numbers and arrangements of Rudy Vallee, Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, etc. Since the focal point of the public is on some star, this tends to get overlooked but it is not basically overlooked by the public.

The point here is that three or four guys with electric instruments get beat out every time by somebody with full orchestral backup.

Choral also enters into this scene. The Presley use of choral was amazing and today choral is extensively used in rock backup. This is, actually, the spiritual stream which seems to have entered into modern rock.

One can conclude that successful and lasting rock music has (a) heavy and numerous orchestral backup which sometimes includes choral and (b) is well arranged.
A study of the rock genre as it is modernly and even historically performed, shows that it lacks in the aggregate the following (with exceptions here and there which exceptions have actually made stars).

1. Melody,
2. Articulation,
3. Plan,
4. Arrangement (aside from a few spectacular pieces),
5. Message,
6. Trained voices and
7. Expert instrumentalists.

Where some pieces included one or more of these, it has been successful.

What rock has is:

a. Physiological impact,
b. Chords,
c. Beat, and
d. A feeling of excitement (or hysteria).

And it is to be commented on that current rock even lacks one or more of the (a) to (d).

Reviewing some of the more all-time successful pieces demonstrates that they did have some of 1 to 7 and had (a) to (d).

The above however, as an analysis, gives you a key to what could become very successful rock. All you have to do is combine 1 to 7 with (a) to (d) and you should have it made.

has this already been posted? dang
http://www.ronthemusicmaker.org/music/listen.htm

1. THE ROAD TO FREEDOM performed by John Travolta, Leif Garrett, Frank Stallone, Lee Purcell.
2. THE WAY TO HAPPINESS performed by Leif Garrett, Gayle Moran, Nicky Hopkins.

3. THE WORRIED BEING performed by Amanda Ambrose.

4. THE EVIL PURPOSE performed by Frank Stallone.

5. LAUGH A LITTLE performed by Michael Roberts, Pam Roberts, Margie Nelson.

6. THE GOOD GO FREE performed by David Pomerantz.

7. WHY WORSHIP DEATH? performed by Chick Corea, Julia Migenes.

8. MAKE IT GO RIGHT performed by David Pomerantz.

9. THE ARC SONG performed by John Travolta, Karen Black, Jeff Pomerantz, Frank Stallone, Lee Purcell, Gloria Rusch.

10. L’ENVOI, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING performed by L. Ron Hubbard

Haha I actually think I might have posted it way the hell upthread -- but it's always the right time to be reminded of it.

oh oops sorry ned, missed your post

Get down!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMPYEZnClho

feel like ILM should do their own version of that album, just going off of the song titles

I call Why Worship Death

obviously needs a black metal treatment