TS: Pavement / Smashing Pumpkins

rmde

nah SP are more like a great-looking big budget sci-fi flick that's ultimately kind of vapid and in love with itself but still pretty enjoyable on a visceral level and respectable for some of its craftsmanship. Pavement seem more like Krull based on your description.

"the railroad jerks"

was this on purpose or

lol no not really

hahah ok

nah SP are more like a great-looking big budget sci-fi flick that's ultimately kind of vapid and in love with itself but still pretty enjoyable on a visceral level and respectable for some of its craftsmanship

sooo... Fifth Element?

Kinda, but there's not a trace of any FIFTH ELEMENT tongue-in-cheek in SP. Enfold a fourteen year-old's sense that everyday's-the-end-of-the-world-melodrama-a-dozen-exclamation-marks and you might be close.

p sure the emptiness is loneliness quote is supposed to be tongue in cheek...

My thirteen year-old soul knows that every word that left Corgan's mouth meant what it said, nary a trace of irony.

Corgan is one lyricist where i have absolutely no idea to what degree he really means it and how much is calculated or ironic or condescending to the audience

if Yo La Tengo, GBV, Liz Phair, Moonshake, Bailter Space, Bardo Pond, The Fall, Superchunk, Bettie Serveert, Couch, Helium, and Unsane weren't every one of them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavement

Whoa whoa guys let's walk away before somebody says something they're gonna regret and not be able to take back.

xp well he did release a book of poetry so that's one clue imo

So did Jewel, that really doesn't get us anywhere.

? what about Liz Phair, Phil ?

Corgan's a straight shooter, yes. Don't much care for him beyond, y'know, SIAMESE-DREAM-AND-THAT-ONE-SONG-ON-THE-SINGLES-SOUNDTRACK-4-EVA, but I've never detected a bit of lyrical indirection on his part.

I mean even assuming we're restricting ourselves to Liz's Matador output, that still leaves us most of Whitechocolatespaceegg to contend with, of which "Cut Your Hair" and "Range Life" alone are better.

So did Jewel, that really doesn't get us anywhere.

― All you have to do is combine 1 to 7 with (a) to (d) and you should ha (Phil D.), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:14 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

hahaha i think that actually gets us a lot of places!

Let's hope this all leads to a convoluted New-York-School-Poets analogy.

Actually Phil you're kinda right...haven't heard much of WCSE but CR, CR is a better album than Whip Smart (though I'll take the best songs from the latter over the best from the former in a heartbeat)...I guess I just thought Exile is _that_ good that it could take the handicap of her subsequent output and still comes out better than Pavement...

...and it would, if it weren't for Gary Young, he is easily the most appealing part of the Pavement mythos. The rest is proto-Anco horse-hockey

in short: "Malkmus? More like Chalkmus, amirite?"

proto-anco? do i even want to know?

I don't

horses play hockey now?

I've said too much!

no way, bob nastanovich was a riot in concert. guy was non-stop energy, even ambushing & gagging one of the crew guys at one point.

pavement are one of those bands - probably because they're so normal, and thus serve as sort of a blank slate onto which people can project whatever they're feeling at the time - about which people have these crazy emotional irrationalities and theories about. proto-anco? what the hell does this mean? your problem is probably with their canonization, dude, not their music. they were just a fuckin indie rock band

i mean, they were a great indie rock band that wrote great songs, but come on

yeah I don't really see any similarities with Animal Collective. they're both composed of white guys, I guess?

guys! i don't want to know!

a huge part of the appeal of pavement for me was basically considering it the band me & my friends would sound like if we were all even capable enough to form one. and that this band didn't suck.. it was like the idealistic version of one.

bullshit fuckin poll

lol

despite how i squeal i am still just a mouse in a wheel

― some dude, Wednesday, February 9, 2011 10:18 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark

this was great!

credit goes to whatever kid my brother was friends with in high school that i heard it from originally

bullshit fuckin poll

yeah Pavement should have won in a Reagan/FDR-type 49-state landslide.

What director would you want to work with?

At one point I almost worked with Darren Aronofsky. It didn't work out, but it was nothing bad, just didn't happen. I'd love to work with him because I think he really gets it, music wise. Scorsese. I don't think he knows I exist, but he has such an incredibly intuitive understanding of how to put music in film.

I think about that scene in "Mean Streets" with Harvey Keitel all the time, where the camera is fixed to him as he rolls into the bar and the Rolling Stones are playing, it's magic.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, I mean as a musician, I die for that moment. It just doesn't get any better than that. I would also love to just sit and listen to him break down a scene from his perspective. And Tarantino too.

What film would you live inside of, if you could?

I've been living in the film "Andrei Rublev" by (Andrei) Tarkovsky for about 15 years (laughs). It's a beautiful film about art, about being an artist. It's set in, you know, 1600's Russia, or sometime equally bleak.

http://www.ifc.com/news/2011/07/billy-corgan-and-the-fools-journey-pt-2.php

I'm still upset this wasn't a draw.

Round 2: Neil Hagerty vs. Pumpkins

https://twitter.com/TheHowlingHex/status/820748333094502400

hmm... Billy is not a Trump supporter

is that what Alex Jones told you

oh, please. the only times I've ever listened or watched Infowars have been when Billy was a guest. he's never said anything hateful or discriminatory on there, it's all very hippy dippy spiritual stuff. and yeah, he's bought gold in bulk before, distilled water etc... he's a bit cuckoo. but not hateful. he's a contrarian and a conspiracy theorist, can't deny that.