This is the thread where we complain about New York.

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bah i have not been over for so long i saw alex's pic and thought YAY NEW YORK I LOVE YOU!!

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Alex OTM about everything, including the "fuck all y'all" comment.

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link

cool can totally be bought, dude.

-- ken c (pykachu10...), March 30th, 2005.

I know. *Rich* is the new *bohemian*.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

No, seriously, I like New York. I didn't move across the river from it for nothing. But it every time I go there, I leave with holes in my pockets. When I hang out with friends in Philly, we make our own fun.

As far as losing a sense of "history" -- I dunno, blame Robert Moses? I'm not sure NYC ever held onto any sense of history for very long.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

very true.

jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

my only complaint about new york is that bloomberg et al are trying to kill off any sense of character and history it might have and turn it into all those other, more boring, non- new york cities.

OTM.

haha xpost

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

it's true though! "new york is too new york for tourists. if we make it more like suburban peoria, people will want to come here!"

jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

"let's tear down chinatown and put up a p.f. chang's!"

jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I bet people are allowed to dance and smoke and go to stripclubs in suburban Peoria, jody, don't take things too far!

What I don't understand is the handful of tourists ("handful") who do seem to do that. Like, the ones that go to TGI Friday's or the Red Lobster instead of one of the real restaurants, a few blocks over???

xpost I'M SURPRISED THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT YET but OTOH Chinatown is a "safe" "wholesome" curiousity, so it's safe. Until, like, the Mets wanna move to downtown NYC or something.

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't say I'm fond of the theme-restaurant/theme-store direction many areas are going in, but this has been going on for years. The more *cutting edge* art and music seem to have moved to the other boroughs, and continue to move further out.

Sometimes I hate Brooklyn just as much -- the way someone can move there from Arkansas and then scoff at me for living in New Jersey. But I don't really hate it. It's a fucking great place. I'm just jealous.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah! NYC could always use a few thousand more fattened cows from the midwest walking around in a daisy glaze. Where's Ground Zero again? No wait, this is uptown...

I used to give tourists wrong directions when I was younger, and chase tour buses all through Soho with my friends, giving the finger all the way. Ah, those were the days.

57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

oh they don't really move to brooklyn -- they move to wburg/greenpoint/one of about four neighborhoods in brooklyn it's "okay" to live in. if you suggested that they move to mill basin or dyker heights they'd recoil in horror.

jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

New York is great but it should really be in California.

Poundstretcher (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah and don't even bring up the idea of even VISITING queens or the bronx, dude.

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i mean people, millions of people even, DO live in the far-flung parts of the boroughs and they commute into manhattan every day and maybe the commute is more than 15 minutes but they manage, right? what makes hipster kids so special?

jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone heard the funny new WNYC spot with the cop? It goes something like this:

"I'm a New York City cop. I think that's an important part of the job, not just being a cop, but being a New York City cop. The other day, I responded to a complaint, and there was a man on his doorstep holding an avocado. He wanted help getting a refund because the avocado he bought was too ripe. I told him, 'Sir, there are certain risks we take every day when we buy fruit.' I'm a cop -- sometimes I respond to robberies, sometimes I respond to people with avocados."


The way this cop talks embodies the essentialized New York that I'll always have in my mind. I get it from Woody Allen movies, from my parents' stories about living there, etc. Even though everyone comes there from somewhere else now, people still have this idea of being a "real New Yorker," talk about the moment when the first felt this.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

gotta watch out for those fruit dealers -- they'll rob you blind!

jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I think there's some Baudrillard essay also where he talks about NYC becoming more and more like itself (due to people coming there with this idea of New York and acting it out).

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

heh, i dunno, go ask the people on the Washington DC thread about hipster kids, apparently anyone who doesn't totally hate MTA is one of 'em.

HAHAHASHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that story is great.

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

"fuhgedduboudit"

jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

People walk really fast there.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Tourists: Little Italy is in the BRONX, not Manhattan. Go to Arthur Avenue. Not Mulberry Street. K thx bye.

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

if i had a car when i lived in new york, i would have been all over mill basin.

lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i am, as i have always been, profoundly ambivalent about NYC. but hey, i'm from NJ so of course i am a dumbass who cannot appreciate the greatness that is NYC ...

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

je4nne, will you marry me?

jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

nj is great too! did i ever say nyc was better than nj? no i did not.

jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, I grew up in DC. I didn't notice an overabundance of hipster kids at the time though -- I mean no more than any other city. If anything, I always thought the hipster kids there were less stylish, more understated then elsewhere, maybe somehow mirroring the conservative dress of the city in general.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

This isn't a thread for "ambivalence". It's for COMPLAINTS! and wtf is that attitude, there's someone else here right now postin from teh Jersey.

Je4nne getting people to go to the bronx for anything besides a Yankees game has proven impossible to me over the past, oh, two years :(

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

there are also cities that are just as (if not more) full o' themselves as NYC (hello, BOSTON) -- and for little or no apparent reason. this much i will say for NYC -- it HAS legit reasons to be arrogant!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link

nj is great too! did i ever say nyc was better than nj? no i did not.

no, you did not jbr -- yer love of NJ is longstanding and much appreciated ;-)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

ally, you should be exiled to hahvahd ... or worse yet, U PENN or CORNELL ... for yer impertinence!

:-)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

ugh, boston is the worst.

jody von oy (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Je4nne getting people to go to the bronx for anything besides a Yankees game has proven impossible to me over the past, oh, two years :(

Hey, someone didn't want to go to the zoo. That person wasn't me. Plus we have LAX games up there.

Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Boston >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Washington DC
Boston >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any number of so-called "cities" not on the eastern or western seaboards

so it's definitely not the worst. I can't believe I'm admitting this!

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

What zoo???? I want to go to the zoo!!!!

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"This isn't a thread for "ambivalence". It's for COMPLAINTS!"

Ok then. STOP OPENING PRETENTIOUS TRENDY OVER-PRICED BISTRO/CAFE THINGIES WITH NO DISCERNIBLE CUISINE STYLE AND ONE-WORD NAMES LIKE "CLOUD" OR "QUIXOTIC".

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

boston is not worse than either newark, nj or newark, de.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

THE ZOO. I WENT TO THE ZOO AND YOU BITCHED OUT. THERE WERE PARENTS THERE POINTING TO GOATS THAT WERE CLEARLY NOT GOATS BUT RATHER IBEXES OMG.

Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:55 (nineteen years ago) link

One reason I think NJ gets a bad rap is because all of its cities are basically shit, even though there are plenty of nice towns and rural areas and natural features and whatnot. Illinois is worse as a whole, but it gets carried by Chicago.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:55 (nineteen years ago) link

(boston is OK, w/ some nice parts and things an' all -- it just ISN'T AS FUCKING MINDBLOWINGLY AWESOME AS BAWSTAWNIANS THINK IT IS, or certain non-bostonians [read, hahvahd/mit/BU/BC alum] claim that is).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:55 (nineteen years ago) link

there are many young white women in boston

Jimmy Mod Has Returned With Spices And Silks (ModJ), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

The Bronx Zoo is probably my second favorite place in the entire world. My grandfather jokes that they named a wing of it after me because I used to make him take me there every weekend when I was wee.

See, ladies and gentlemen, I was spoiled because I went to school at F0rdh4m IN THE BRONX NOT LINCOLN CENTER THANK YOU VERY MUCH. For all the shittiness of the Bronx, and believe me, there were plenty (muggings anyone?), I ate so well up there, hot diggity. But the locals kind of hated us. My heart was broken when I found out a Starbucks opened on F0rdh4m Road after I graduated.

JBR, yes, we are married.

Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

>People walk really fast there.<

Not while they stand RIGHT IN FRONT OF subway entrances / staircases / pathways checking their fucking pagers / phones every fucking 5 minutes.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Not while they stand RIGHT IN FRONT OF subway entrances / staircases / pathways checking their fucking pagers / phones every fucking 5 minutes.

agreed -- pedestrians are teh SUXOR. esp. pedestrian tourists -- tourists should be killed!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck you too alex and jeanne! "hometown" oh you kids are so tough and proud. Know who else is tough and proud? Cowboys. This is Wyoming.
http://www.francescacontreras.com/roadtrip/wyoming/road-wyoming-4.jpg
I'm sure they're all jealous of your gum-encrusted sidewalks.

Also Kenan if you were any more boring you'd be a sloth.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

IS THE ZOO CLOSED? WE CAN GO ANOTHER TIME DOOD.

xpost I've been to Wyoming, it sucked! My dad thought it was awesome.

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

"yeah and don't even bring up the idea of even VISITING queens or the bronx, dude"

My girlfriend's dad loves Jackson Heights. He discovered a great Indian place there and insists on going there every time he's in a 100 mile radius of NYC. Once he drove us around the Indian district afterward and waxed poetic (in a thick Israeli accent): "Look, you see? LIFE! People going to markets! Women buying dresses! Children staring in the windows at toys. So much life!"

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Tourist hatred is also really, really boring. Like excrutiatingly boring.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"Know who else is tough and proud? Cowboys. This is Wyoming."

COWBOYS AREN'T DEAD!!!

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"Excuse me, but where is the Ford Theatre?"

Allyzay Subservient 50s-Type (allyzay), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm honestly not trying to be a bitch but that's just horseshit, the implication from your post is that neighborhood improvement and restoration should not occur because of some weird vendetta you have towards yuppies, the vast majority of which still wouldn't consider the Bronx a place to live in a hundred years (it's a place to rush out of, top speed, after the game is over, amirite etc).

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:09 (seventeen years ago) link

But but but...the GRAND CONCOURSE! I'm all for the preservation of sunken living rooms and art deco/moderne linoleum, people. Bring it on.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

man, i wish h&m would move into one of the ugly abandoned buildings on the next block over from my apartment.

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:14 (seventeen years ago) link

H&M can go fuck itself recently, every time I go in there all of the clothing, EVERY SINGLE PIECE LITERALLY, is size 10. WTF? No offense to size 10s or anything but seriously you guys apparently aren't shopping at H&M, maybe they should expand their "Other Sizes Besides 10" division. Maybe it's just the shitty one in Downtown DC.

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I personally think neighborhood restoration is awesome when done appropriately, you run the risk of NYC repeating the basic demolition of wholesale parts of Harlem but I don't see anything here that indicates they're doing something like that on the Concourse. I would hope that the city planners wised up a little bit, at least in some vague way, from the problems that erupted when they UMEZ poured money into outsider corporations and building demolition companies (basically) to "restore" Harlem. Maybe I'm freaking naive.

Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS CHANGED SOOOO MUCH! WHEN I MOVED HERE...

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

the worst was living in williamsburg in '99, all these 40 year old gentrifiers yapping yer ear off with "IT USED TO BE SO DIFFERENT". i always wanted to go "FUCK OFF GRAMPS", fortunately, they had no idea what was later in store for them.

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

it would actually be better if they knocked down the projects across the street and put in an h&m, barnes & noble, trader joes, a record store, a marc jacobs, a cupcake shop, a soba shop, a korean bbq, a vietnamese sandwich maker, and a gay bar. oh!!!!

phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

WHEN I MOVED TO FT GREENE IN 2000 THERE WERE ONLY LIKE THREE FRENCH RESTAURANTS THIS SHIT IS REALLY GETTING OUT OF CONTROL AROUND HERE!!!

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
we even complain better than you do

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 28 July 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

so what date do the landlords have to turn the heat on? is it Oct 15?

fucking premature 40-degree weather (you coldies can stifle yourselves).

Your Favorite Saturday Night Thing (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:28 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

Feb 2014: get me the FUCK outta here!

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 11:43 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe we can make Super Bowl weekend the occasion of our first Cranky Politics Thread Regulars cruise to the Bahamas

in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 12:48 (thirteen years ago) link

subterranean homesick cruise

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 13:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't understand, what about Feb 2014?

the soul of the avocado escapes as soon as you open it (Laurel), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link

NB: I don't watch the news so....

the soul of the avocado escapes as soon as you open it (Laurel), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 13:50 (thirteen years ago) link

The Super Bowl is coming to Giants Stadium.

jaymc, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 13:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Rent out your flat and make $$$.

Excelsior the Facebook (kkvgz), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 13:56 (thirteen years ago) link

YOU GUYS THE SUPER BOWL IS COMING TO THE GREATEST CITY ON EARTH. NEW YORK SUPER BOWL. AFTER ALL THESE YEARS IT'S COMING TO NEW YORK CITY! NEW YORK! NEW YORK!

iatee, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link

oh wait it's in new jersey nvm

iatee, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link

this is a thinly veiled attempt at getting lebron to sign with nyk/njn, yeah?

Face Book (dyao), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link

why would NFL owners want that? if anything, the NY football industry probably benefits from fewer basketball fans.

iatee, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link

dyao w/ non sequitur gag of the week.

I don't know whether this news is heavier on Roman Empire-style elitism or terror-baiting stupidity.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

'bagels' is not otm

mookieproof, Friday, 18 April 2014 19:23 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

Now endangered in NYC: grocery stores.

http://ny.curbed.com/maps/map-nyc-grocery-stores-disappearing

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 March 2016 18:23 (eight years ago) link


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