Nope -- they've said since the start that Join the Dots would not be replicated on the reissues and so far that's true. I am wondering how they'll handle the Japanese Whispers tracks, though.
I should also note (assuming it hasn't been already) if it hasn't been already that the live version of "Faith" on the second disc of that album is in fact the one from the 12" of "Charlotte Sometimes," which wasn't on JtD and so finally has resurfaced.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link
DESPATCHED AIN'T GOOD ENOUGH! I NEED TO SEE "DELIVERED"!
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 20:25 (nineteen years ago) link
One consolation, the Stereolab box is aces.
― mzui (mzui), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link
Seems fairly obvious that they wouldn't bother doing a Japanese Whispers reissue (it being effectively a singles compilation anyway). I dare say either the three A-sides will be on the Top's second disc, or they'll get orphaned like Killing An Arab (to later be compiled on the Cure's Sensational Sixth Semi-Redundant Singles Comp!)
― kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Aerodynamic (Aerodynamic), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link
Sorta my thought. We'll see. There is also that Glove reissue as well...
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 April 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 28 April 2005 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 28 April 2005 01:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 01:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael Copeland, Thursday, 28 April 2005 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link
Wow. I really need to get some sleep.
― Michael Copeland, Thursday, 28 April 2005 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link
As for the liner notes, there are some serious holes indeed. No explanation on Carnage Visors or Airlock. Nothing said about that last demo on Pornography (ie. the let's go to bed skeleton), which was recorded AFTER the album, so probably around the time of Lament. Background info would have been nice.
― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Thursday, 28 April 2005 09:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― mzui (mzui), Thursday, 28 April 2005 11:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Thursday, 28 April 2005 11:07 (nineteen years ago) link
Yeah, Faith sounds ridiculously great -- not that it didn't already, but jeez, just everything now, down to the texture of the keyboards on "The Holy Hour" and "The Funeral Party" and the way the drums sound on "All Cats are Grey" and... "Primary" now has this weird fluid grace in the bass that somehow I had never caught or felt before.
Have yet to listen to the extras for that one. But that will happen shortly.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link
But I was dumbstruck at just HOW HORRIBLE A DRUMMER LOL IS. It's like hearing a child barely competent...I still love the records and will forever but jeez...worst drummer ever.
― ddb (ddb), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link
I dont think his playing takes away from the songs...I just was amazed by it, in a: how come I did'nt notice this before.
Did he play drums on Porn. it sounds like a mixture of him and machines or overdubs, because it sounds vastly improved. Maybe he got beter?!?!
Boris on the other hand...AMAZING!
― ddb (ddb), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link
I like JAson a fair amount, too, but oftentimes he's a little too busy; Boris had a great knack for knowing when to stop embellishing.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link
In the liners for Pornography, Robert sez they invited Phil Thornalley in to coproduce because of his work on the Psychedelic Furs' Talk Talk Talk, specifically the drum sounds, so that might have something to do with it too...
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― ddb (ddb), Thursday, 28 April 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link
* Solo home demo of "Doubt" -- *much* slower pace, just guitar and beatbox, no vocals, really enjoyable.
* "Drowning" -- you can sorta sense "The Drowning Man" trying to emerge from this, but it's still different enough, contemplative, almost more like a variant on Carnage's arrangement.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link
The studio version doesn't bring in the vocals until the third musical verse as well.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 April 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link
I think Dan's dastardly plan to NEVER SEND ME THAT CURE MIX CD has borne fruit in that I've dropped $$$ on 3IB (still unheard, tho!), & I'm probably going to drop money on these other damn things, too. Well played, Perry, well played.
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 28 April 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link
FUCK YOU IDEAL COPY.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― mzui (mzui), Thursday, 28 April 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Thursday, 28 April 2005 20:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 29 April 2005 00:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 April 2005 02:26 (nineteen years ago) link
* "Break" -- bass-led murk, instrumental, substantially less crazy than Pornography turned out to be but still glowering
* "Demise" -- similarly instrumental, certainly not happy happy joy joy but gentler, a bit like how some of those Faith extras showed a different side. Cleaner studio recording = better all around impact. More than a sketch, less than a complete song but really good in terms of mood and the arrangement is mostly there.
* "Temptation" -- almost starts off like the ghost of "Primary" but is definitely more 'up' -- again, it's almost surprising trying to square these kind of songs with the eventual album, it wasn't *all* doom and gloom. Strong drums, gentle ascension by both Robert and Simon, some good breaks by Robert in particular, longer than I anticipated but keeps its energy going well, I like...
* "The Figurehead" -- less overwhelming in demo form but not too far off from the final version, more reverb on the vocals...enjoyable enough but little to remark on
* "The Hanging Garden" -- *much* less insane than the final version, in this form it could have been a 1983 B-side and nobody would have blinked, moody rather than rampaging. Different lyrics/lyrical structure (especially on the chorus), heavily flanged guitar but no spindly riff or feedback growls, simpler drum machine work (unclear whether this is a solo demo or not).
* "One Hundred Years" -- pretty sure I heard this demo before or something close to it. Like "The Figurehead" not far off from the final version, the arrangement is all in place, but the mix of the synth/drone here puts it much higher and gives everything a wonderfully wrong feeling, queasy.
* "Airlock: The Soundtrack" -- Carnage Visors part two it ain't. A sort of piano melody but not really, lots of whooshing and mechanical/factory sounds, tortured vocals, flutes -- it must mean something but what?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 April 2005 03:35 (nineteen years ago) link
* "Cold" -- good version, not too different from the studio, but...
* "A Strange Day' -- even faster than the original, if you can believe it -- maybe not by much, but it's still there, drums less prominent, vocals a touch clearer, extremely nervous...
* "Pornography" -- the drums kick in rather than fade in, unsurprisingly, but the distorto voice sample thing is intact at least initially, some extremely good/crazed guitar work towards the end, murky audience tape quality but it's still damn strong
* "All Mine" -- as on Curiosity
* "A Short Term Effect" and "Siamese Twins" -- both from what might have been the final Cure show in Brussels, the first feels a bit rushed as if the band just wanted to get through it and get it over with, though "Siamese" is kept at its usual slower pace, just enough.
And finally:
* "Temptation Two" -- let's go to bed, indeed. But in a far more rushed, fragmented and bizarro sense, bridging "Temptation" and where it would end up, transitional if you will.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 29 April 2005 04:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Baaderonixxxorzh (Fabfunk), Friday, 29 April 2005 10:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 2 May 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 2 May 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link