quiddities and agonies of the ruling class - a rolling new york times thread

weird fucking scene man

Mrs. Getty — who runs the school as “a gift to the community,”

rich on rich philanthropy is the worst - eg donating to harvard or w/e - way to give to people who dont need it

um, pretty sure donating to harvard = scholarships for people who actually do need it.

I mean at least it can = that.

they have like a 5b endowment youre aware

'scholarships for people who actually do need it' = pretty inconsequential part of the harvard money machine

xp

no way, it's way more than that

(looks it up)

27b

ok actually

*marin of error +/- 22b

The preschool director's website states that "never before have people wanted to be parents more than the current generation". That doesn't seem right. I thought population growth was slowing down.

http://www.lipplan.com/

harvard does have a pretty generous financial need program, but its purpose is to breed future billionaires who will donate back to harvard

my friend worked in a development office once, its pretty scary what they do

oh yeah no doubt it's pretty sweet to be a poor kid admitted to harvard in 2011 but if the school was really interested in helping the disadvantaged they could increase their class size and admit way more poor kids / fewer philips exeter types

lol yeah they have tons of ways of manipulating the data. one commonly bandied fact is that more than half the undergrad pop is on financial aid - well, even if you're just receiving like a 2,000 loan or getting like a 5,000 grant that counts. and that means that about half the kids are paying full sticker. and harvard fin-aid is need-based, so if you're due fin-aid in some form, you're gonna get it - which means those kids paying sticker come from some pretty rich families.

a bit off topic and minute but anyone else notice the times been fucking around w/their favicon

http://grab.by/9up2

i mean three different ones right there!

the oldest one the bold one on the top right there is still active on some pages, then came the one on my bookmark bar which is live on the home page AND then some pages have this newest transparent one!

i mean chill out nytimes dudes!

um, pretty sure donating to harvard = scholarships for people who actually do need it

LMAO at this, so far from the truth. Harvard could easily pay for the education of all their students just off the interest they earn from their endowment. They have no interest in doing this. Instead they use their vast resources to aggressively buy up land in Cambridge and Boston.

Harvard's endowment is the size of panama's GDP

paywall deets http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/18/opinion/l18times.html

http://www.nytimes.com/subscriptions/Multiproduct/lp0145.html

20 free articles a month then $15-$35 dollars a month depending on how you wish to access it

fivethirtyeight Nate Silver
FYI II: ALL incoming links to NYT from Twitter and Facebook, and up to 5/day from Google, will be free reads. Not just a 538 thing.
47 minutes ago

fivethirtyeight Nate Silver
FYI: even if you hit the 20 article/mo. paywall, you will ALWAYS be able to read any 538 articles, for free, by linking over from Twitter.
54 minutes ago

who will be the first to set up an account tweeting every article

huh, at those prices you might as well subscribe to the weekender or whatever its called--wonder if theyre trying to goose their print subscriber rate

yeah this is nagl imo - plummeting readership ahead - $35 a year i could see

but w/e limting access idk - what abt incoming links - what will the bloggers think

prob won't be too hard to get around this but I think I'll probably just end up reading fewer 'marginal' nyt articles

the real effect will be in the link economy imo

i think that links from blogs will go through

i mean the aim here is to wring as much as possible from the people who read NYT every day, have it as their home page or w/e... ppl who only visit thru bloglinks arent going to subscribe anyway

yeah im not sure of the details on that - silver there says 5 a day from google - so theres a limit there - unlimited from twitter

I feel like this might actually be financially successful but the long-term effect will also be a pretty significant decline in the times' influence

eh i cant imagine this is gonna work out much better than their last paywall attempt

eh, i doubt it. the times was influential when you had to buy a paper. 90% of newspaper websites are gonna be subscriber-based within the next few years. xp

i really dont want to pay for the times

ah ok via faq incoming links are always good but do count against yr monthly total

12. Can I still access NYTimes.com articles through Facebook, Twitter, Google or my blog? Back to top
Yes. We encourage links from Facebook, Twitter, search engines, blogs and social media. When you visit NYTimes.com through a link from one of these channels, that article (or video, slide show, etc.) will count toward your monthly limit of 20 free articles, but you will still be able to view it even if you've already read your 20 free articles.

When you visit NYTimes.com by clicking links in Google search results, you'll enjoy up to five free articles per day.

http://www.nytimes.com/content/help/account/purchases/subscriptions-and-purchases.html

yeah even though it's the only american newspaper site I visit regularly I don't think I'm gonna feel like I'm missing out on much, I get my 'news'-news elsewhere.

also surely they could save money by significantly downscaling and just trying to be the last man standing when it came to solid old school journalism? but I guess they know they get more hits online w/ stupid opinion pieces and trend pieces.

eh, i doubt it. the times was influential when you had to buy a paper. 90% of newspaper websites are gonna be subscriber-based within the next few years. xp

― max, Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i feel like this wont be a realistic business model until more newspapers die off - theres still way too much redundancy - people will just go elsewhere - and it may never be a a money making approach - arriana huffpost is surely enjoying this announcement v much

*buys subscription, registers curatedtimes.com*

joe when is the paywall for the bløg going up

the paper is also more or less in hock to carlos slim, they need to make money, and fast

so i dont think downsizing is really an option

i think theyre setting the price kind of high and making it needlessly complicated, but they need a paywall

This would be all fine and dandy if their systems could link my paper delivery and online accounts.

joe when is the paywall for the bløg going up

― J0rdan S., Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:13 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

in bløg you pay w/soul

Basically they're explaining that they're going to be screwing with your ability to navigate within their website. If you can get to it from Google, and you can get to it in an unlimited fashion from links people share, then they're just doing checking on the referring site and variables in the URL.

In other words, you could code up a script or browser plugin to make all the articles free really, really easily.

I imagine they'd be fine with that since people taking advantage of such a plugin would be a v small percentage of their hits

yeah theyre going after the low hanging fruit for sure, but theres no way theyre not losing traffic bigtime just via people not wanting/knowing how to deal

not even sure I'd care enough to dl future plugin