the charts are stagnating again.

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Just looking at the upcoming releases to see what does look like a number one single... Christina Milian may be the one to end Gnarls' reign, inna new new pop stylee.

And oh look, Razorlight are on the Radio 1 playlist two months before the release of their new single. Joy.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 May 2006 15:34 (seventeen years ago) link

can you really escape the charts thou? the thing about Crazy is it's presence on those BBC ads and the way it seems to be on every radio station, ie you hear it on shops or whatever even if you don't choose too. i guess the charts per se become irrevelant thou but in a way they are kind of symbolic, i guess the american charts what with the radio play thaing measure pervasiveness better, thou of course it's kinda by nature unmesurable...

pscott (elwisty), Monday, 15 May 2006 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

And oh look, Razorlight are on the Radio 1 playlist two months before the release of their new single. Joy.

playlisting that far ahead so as to give singles a longer lease of life supposedly.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 15 May 2006 15:50 (seventeen years ago) link

but surely this is counter intuitive, you can hear but can't buy it? or go for massive first week sales? was the 90s change due to earlier pre release to some degree?

pscott (elwisty), Monday, 15 May 2006 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link

perversely 'crazy' feels like the first time in a while the charts have actively mattered, however little - it FEELS like a no 1 song, it feels like the fact that it's been at no 1 for an age is an important one. there's a line from something tom wrote about 'freak like me' ages ago which has stuck with me, something about how you can walk down any street in britain and a) if something is blaring out of an open door it'll be Song X and b) everyone on that street will be able to sing Song X. 'freak like me' was a Song X and 'crazy' feels like one too.

(nb: I think it's ok but no more; cee-lo's vocal performance deserves a better producer than boring danger mouse)

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 15 May 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link

i dodn't hear "freak like me" until a while after it was in the charts.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

i didn't hear "freak like me" until a while after it was in the charts.

jed_ (jed), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

ha lex otm

pscott (elwisty), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

well i didn't hear 'crazy' until a couple of weeks ago (or at least not knowingly) but clearly by "everyone" i mean "a hell of a lot more people than normally know current pop songs whether this includes me or not"

(one unrelated point i'm completely mystified on - i don't know ANYONE who downloads legally. they either download illegally, or they don't download. who the fuck are these people?)

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/8889/charts9bm.jpg

gah, Monday, 15 May 2006 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

(also i think a key point is the element of surprise. 'hung up' was kinda a Song X, but also it wasn't because it didn't matter in the slightest that it was no 1. it was madonna, obviously it was no 1. same, actually, for 'push the button'. on the other hand 'freak like me' was a last-ditch, desperate attempt to save an almost-failed girl group's career which paid off spectacularly; 'crazy' really came out of nowhere, by two people who had never seen the inside of the top 10 before.)

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, I heard someone singing it in the street. One of those young people. I think she was trying to impress her friends by knowing the words. It did strike me as the first time I had been aware of such behaviour for a long time, so perhaps it is a big deal.

Lex, they are the MP-She Generation. You are so out of the loop.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Dangermouse is as good/exciting a producer as Cee-Lo is a vocalist (or producer himself). Cee-Lo's 'Soul Machine' prob. deserves more attention now (the stuff with Pharrell isn't so good but 'Childz Play' with Luda sounded ace on first listen).

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

x post

i am guessing you don't socialize with the kind of people who say "oh where can i download that song by snow patrol i just heard on radio 2?" and then consult q magazine for answer.

pscott (elwisty), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

you would be surprised at how few times i've heard that phrase paul

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

(one unrelated point i'm completely mystified on - i don't know ANYONE who downloads legally. they either download illegally, or they don't download. who the fuck are these people?)

i download legally from Bleep because:

a) great, weird stuff that's hard to find elsewhere (Ryan Teague, Bibio, El Perro Del Mar, Paul D Miller, Virus Syn, rare Isolee, Fairmont, Bob McFadden and other ace people you've never heard of) unless you sift for ages

b) 50% goes to the artists

c) DRM-free, meaning you can play it on anything, and it's usually 320kbps now so the quality is as good as can be whilst still compressed and tagged.

d) this sort of thing needs support from digital music-lovers

e) i am having it off with the creators of Bleep, obv.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

e) i am having it off with the creators of Bleep, obv.

The Pussycat Dolls? Well done!

StanM (StanM), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

(Damn, that's Beep, innit? Sorry.)

StanM (StanM), Monday, 15 May 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

That bit about women expanding their musical taste was pretty interesting. That'd be a notable sea change if women achieve even parity in the audiences, and I think it'd be a good thing overall... Go women! Listen to your MP3s!

js (honestengine), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

It would seem easy for a major artist at this time to take a subpar song and get it high in the charts.

Sadly it wouldn't. Because the kids would think he's "old", and they seem to be more preoccupied with the age, looks and image of the performer than the actual quality of the music.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Well. Gnarls Barkley has topped the UK charts for 7 weeks. Bryan Adams did for 16 while Wet Wet Wet did for 14. They still have quite a way to go...

Btw. there are 20 singles throughout UK chart history that have topped the charts for longer than "Crazy", and there seemed to be around 10-15 singles that did also top them for 7 weeks.

7 weeks is not dramatic. It is kind of the way it is supposed to be. One new chart topper each week is a sign of bad quality, which was also the case when the likes of Bryan Adams, Wet Wet Wet, Whitney Houston, Boyz II Men and Mariah Carey stayed on top of the UK or US charts forever back in the early to mid 90s.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Geir brings HARD FACTS to the discussion!

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 May 2006 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I still sort of like the idea of it as indicative of a Top 40 supernova/implosion though.

This is the record we need released:

Been out all night, I needed a bite
I thought I'd put a record on
I reached for the one with the ultra-modern label
And wondered where the light had gone
It had a futuristic cover
Lifted straight from Buck Rogers
The record was so black it had to be a con
The autochanger switched as I filled my sandwich
And futuristic sounds warbled off and on
Chorus :
The Black Hit Of Space
It's the one without a face
It's the one that doesn't fit
You can only see the flip
The Black Hit Of Space
Sucking in the human race
How can it stay at the top
When it's swallowed all the shops?
As the song climbed the charts
The others disappeared
'Til there was nothing but it left to buy
It got to number one
Then into minus figures
Though nobody could understand why
(Chorus)
I couldn't stand this bland sound any more so I walked towards my deck to
turn it off. All I could see was the B-side of the disc which had assumed a
doughnut shape with the label on the outside rim. I reached for the arm
which was less than one micron long but weighed more than Saturn and time
stood still. I knew I had to escape but every time I tried to flee, the
record was in front of me.
The Black Hit Of Space
Get James Burke on the case
It's the hit that's never gone
Time stops when you put it...

Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

the charts are awful at the moment. I don't know if I can bring any kind of theory to this, but pop music is really fucking awful at the moment, in my opinion. I can't listen to the radio anymore.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Cheer up Ronan, Crazy Frog should have another single out soon!

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Only Crazy Frog can save us from awful ballads.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 15 May 2006 21:10 (seventeen years ago) link

The charts are better now than 3-4 years ago during the R&B boom.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Geir brings HARD FACTS to the discussion!

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link

(one unrelated point i'm completely mystified on - i don't know ANYONE who downloads legally. they either download illegally, or they don't download. who the fuck are these people?)

I download through Bleep, Beatport, Dancetracks, Kompakt and others on a weekly basis. It makes a lot more sense to buy a 320K rip of a tune for $1.50-$2.50 than to pay $12 for an import single. Plus, you can hear a big difference between a crappy 192K P2P rip and a 320K rip from a legitimate source when you play tunes on a club system.

jeffery (jeffery), Monday, 15 May 2006 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I have written a Crazy Frog song:

Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding
World Cup World Cup
Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding
World Cup World Cup

The great thing is, it doesn't need any work.

I would like to legally download huge great 20 minute krautrock tracks. Is this possible?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:01 (seventeen years ago) link

The reason for "Crazy" spending seven weeks at number one is simple - there's nothing even within spitting distance of it in the chart at the moment, quantitatively or qualitatively, and it's also one of the half-dozen or so greatest number one singles there have ever been.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Don't worry folks, soon Jimmy Pursey and friends will land "Hurry Up England" at the number 1 spot for 3 weeks until we are knocked out in the quarter-finals and millions of pounds worth of damage is inflicted on every city centre pub in the country. Hoorah!

Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:09 (seventeen years ago) link

7 weeks is not dramatic. It is kind of the way it is supposed to be. One new chart topper each week is a sign of bad quality, which was also the case when the likes of Bryan Adams, Wet Wet Wet, Whitney Houston, Boyz II Men and Mariah Carey stayed on top of the UK or US charts forever back in the early to mid 90s.

so long-running No 1s are a sign of good quality (eg Wet Wet Wet in the UK), but a No 1 each week is a sign of bad quality (eg Wet Wet Wet in the US)???

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:17 (seventeen years ago) link

there's nothing even within spitting distance of it in the chart at the moment, quantitatively or qualitatively,

is the milian single out properly yet? the milian single has made me reassess her as the greatest artist this century has yet produced.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh I heard that yesterday Lex, it's awesome.

Action Tim Vision (noodle vague), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Marcello OTM - i was in the big hmv on oxford st the other day and crazy came on and EVERYONE started nodding their heads and bopping it was like a scene from some shitty britcom

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:34 (seventeen years ago) link

.. and it will be.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:36 (seventeen years ago) link

there's something about the way milian rolls her voice around lines like "i'mma keep it gangsta" and "do what you - wanna do, don't let nobody tell you what you're - supposed to do", which in anyone else's mouth would be nothingy, which makes them UTTERLY TRANSCENDENT

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:38 (seventeen years ago) link

i actually think 'Crazy' would be a very odd record to actually dance to. i've not heard it in a club or at a party yet (tho i'm sure it's been played at loads).

Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 08:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's pretty average.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:16 (seventeen years ago) link

i can imagine 'crazy' with a different arrangement (one which eg reminded me less of moby) being amazing, and danceable, very close-of-night.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:19 (seventeen years ago) link

The reason for "Crazy" spending seven weeks at number one is simple - there's nothing even within spitting distance of it in the chart at the moment, quantitatively or qualitatively, and it's also one of the half-dozen or so greatest number one singles there have ever been

I predict Marcello is mildly embarrassed by this in five years time. It's a pretty good song - the production is really plodding, I think, the kind of thing everyone likes a bit (whereas everyone LOVES other Song Xs, viz "Hung Up")

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:23 (seventeen years ago) link

there are lots of songs like 'hung up' ('hey ya', 'sos'), they're kind of awesome for six weeks and then you get heartily sick of them -- that's pop, but ilx is where we talk about pop old music unendingly, there's a problem

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:27 (seventeen years ago) link

No, I just know. Same as I knew that "Those Were The Days" was one of the half-dozen greatest number one singles when I was five.

(xpost, obv)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:27 (seventeen years ago) link

it's just a good middlepoint, that's why it's number 1 for so long. catchy enough for kids and sounds Nick Hornby soul enough for adults.

I can't even see how it's bigger than something like "Hey Ya".

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Or rather, how it's supposed to be better, I didn't particularly like "Hey Ya" myself but it was about a thousand times catchier and more vital.

Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Who said it was supposed to be better?
"Hey Ya" didn't get to number one.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Marcello, I think your senses were a bit sharper at five. "Crazy" isn't even in the same ballpark as "Those Were The Days".

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:30 (seventeen years ago) link

there are lots of songs like 'hung up' ('hey ya', 'sos'), they're kind of awesome for six weeks and then you get heartily sick of them -- that's pop, but ilx is where we talk about pop old music unendingly, there's a problem

and then two years later you remember you awesome they were, plus with added nostalgia value.

i do actually think 'crazy' is a genuine Song X! i think the production is crap BUT compared with the bluntian acoustica and britrock revival drivel which is getting all the attention at the moment, it's veritably neptunes-esque. and for the casual consumer (who are the ones who really drive Song Xs) that's what probably appeals.

also i don't think we can overlook cee-lo's voice, that really is amazing.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:32 (seventeen years ago) link

i must hear this song.

the confusing situation Enrique currently endures (Enrique), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 09:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Ban That one guy that hit it and quit it.

597, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Ban Don Derun.

Mark G, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link

good effort brau

blueski, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link

typing out most recently played off itunes is not what ilx is for.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 15:58 (sixteen years ago) link

if i MUST discuss popular music with you year after year it helps to establish occasionally an understanding of your preferences in the contemporary domain of said medium.

blueski, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 16:00 (sixteen years ago) link

i basically have a preference for things i hear and like. fortunately most bands do something to piss me off before i need to hear them. this saves time.

That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 16:11 (sixteen years ago) link

i basically have a preference for things i hear and like

illuminating

lex pretend, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 16:31 (sixteen years ago) link

18 weeks - Frankie Laine, I Believe (1953)
16 weeks - Bryan Adams, (Everything I Do) I Do It For You (1991)
15 weeks - Wet Wet Wet, Love Is All Around (1994)
11 weeks - Slim Whitman, Rose Marie (1955)
10 weeks - David Whitfield, Cara Mia (1954)
10 weeks - Whitney Houston, I Will Always Love You (1992)

Source: Official UK Charts Company

ella, ella, ella, ey-ey-ey

pisces, Sunday, 22 July 2007 22:12 (sixteen years ago) link

seven years pass...

7 weeks at number 1 for Mark Ronson in the Uk.

piscesx, Monday, 2 February 2015 23:37 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

8 long weeks for Drake at number 1. 8 weeks!? longest run for a single in 9 years.

piscesx, Monday, 6 June 2016 11:18 (seven years ago) link

How does it go?

Mark G, Monday, 6 June 2016 11:48 (seven years ago) link

I can't remember the last time I paid attention to the charts... probably about 10 years ago or something. I always took more notice of the album chart, too.

Turrican, Monday, 6 June 2016 18:16 (seven years ago) link

It's been a minute for me, too. Are Wilson Phillips and Boyz II Men still a thing?

What's Your Definition of a Dirty Baby? (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 June 2016 18:20 (seven years ago) link

they're triple dating.

De La Soul is no Major Lazer (ulysses), Monday, 6 June 2016 18:27 (seven years ago) link

did "the sign" finally fall off the charts?

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Monday, 6 June 2016 19:35 (seven years ago) link

There's a special hell somewhere where that fucking Bryan Adams song is still number one, I'm sure.

Turrican, Monday, 6 June 2016 23:30 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

this is nuts

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36794105

Drake's single only topped the sales-only chart in the first three weeks of its reign. It's only the inclusion of streaming data (where 100 plays count as one sale) that has given him a lock on the number one spot. And that's something that's starting to worry the music industry, because now that the charts measure consumption rather than purchases, they have practically ground to a halt.

In the first six months of 2016, there were 86 new entries in the UK singles chart. Ten years ago, that figure was 230.

piscesx, Sunday, 17 July 2016 20:00 (seven years ago) link

I noticed the other week that the top eight singles in the UK didn't change (not even order) over two weeks, which is... strange.

boxedjoy, Sunday, 17 July 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link

ten years ago the number of new entries only spending one week on the chart was probably also super high, so no use pretending the chart was problem-free then either. even 'big' hits would frequently enter at their peak and spend a pitifully short time in the top 10 for the majority of the digital music era until recently.

it's pretty common for the industry to have to adjust how it works its product after the charts undergo semi-radical methodological revisions. when soundscan and broadcast data systems numbers were first implemented for the hot 100 in 1991, the main finding was that, on the radio and retail sides, the strongest hits were both breaking much faster and sticking around much longer than would have been reflected by the old survey-based methodology. in order to keep 'playing the charts' as an effective means of marketing singles, some in the industry tried a bizarre series of strategies to try to manipulate the new methodology in their favor. others realized they could market songs to radio, and their parent albums to consumers, without the assistance of singles retail whatsoever. the result was that the hot 100 was both more and less representative of the current state of pop singles consumption for the greater part of the entire 1990s decade. by the time things were 'figured out' (around 1999) and the charts started seeing decent turnaround of singles that were actually popular, not just popular because labels wanted them to appear as such, the singles retail market was in its death throes due to the combination of unsustainable strategies the labels had assumed during those years.

i think this time around the industry won't have to bumble around as long to figure it out. or at least i hope. (they may very well kill the digital downloads market, though. r.i.p. itunes!)

dyl, Sunday, 17 July 2016 22:40 (seven years ago) link

six months pass...

Ed Sheeran. Number 1 AND 2 for 5 weeks straight.

piscesx, Friday, 10 February 2017 21:39 (seven years ago) link

His music's always been piss and shit, tbf.

Working night & day, I tried to stay awake... (Turrican), Friday, 10 February 2017 21:40 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

Interesting thread here:

In a fitting end to the 2010s, Jeff Bezos is responsible for the last Number 1 Single of the year, Ellie Goulding's "River" (by Joni Mitchell).

Here's how:

1. You can't find it on Spotify, Apple, Google.
2. That's because - aside from Youtube - it's Amazon exclusive.

and...

— dan barker (@danbarker) December 28, 2019

groovypanda, Sunday, 29 December 2019 22:48 (four years ago) link

wow, hadn't heard anything about that! Crazy story!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 30 December 2019 02:25 (four years ago) link

it was posted in the system glitch thread

dyl, Monday, 30 December 2019 04:03 (four years ago) link

https://www.billboard.com/charts/decade-end/hot-rock-songs

j., Monday, 30 December 2019 05:34 (four years ago) link

that's pretty grim. i can only handle about four of the top twenty.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 30 December 2019 05:38 (four years ago) link


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