iirc laurel sometimes leaves her house in brooklyn, to visit other parts of brooklyn, it is called brooklyning
― iatee, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't even have a porch SHOWS WHAT U KNO
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link
xp The New York Times is going to do an article on it soon probably.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link
so like public trans trips that would be made shorter by connecting 2 existing rail lines?? or??
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, no...new train lines that would travel horizontally across the boroughs connecting points east and west, not just running north-south into Manhattan, which is what most of them do now.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link
granny are you drunk
― dayo, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't understand how that's different from me wanting to go from my porch to my sister's door is the thing
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:12 (thirteen years ago) link
laurel I think there's an important difference between 'lol I guess this is the best we can do...' light-rail and 'our small european town probably doesn't need a 10 line subway system, but hey isn't this nice' light-rail.
'gold coast' jersey is crazy dense, could easily support more heavy rail in a world where stuff like that happened - esp if it were better integrated w/ the ny subway system. a la the imaginary 7 train extension. so yeah the light-rail seems kinda shitty in comparison, but if you had to live there right now it's surely better than the alternative.
― iatee, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:13 (thirteen years ago) link
It's weird, I've lived in cities, old suburbs, and small towns (surrounded by corn/other small towns/cow/weird faketown suburbia), and i find that living in small towns is my favorite way of living. most people know each other, there's a lot of community-minded stuff going on, and if it's a liberal college town, it's kind of like living in a city, but one can actually bike everywhere. also, since so many of them tend to be in the midwest, they're cheap cheap cheap. i love SF and plan on moving there again after a few more years in Oakland, but if i had my druthers, give me a small liberal college town with a good bar.
also, i don't think i was taught to 'want' to live in the suburbs any more than i was taught to 'not want' to live in the suburbs. when my parents moved to the burbs (stone house, built 1929, one acre on top of an old nickel mine), i never really forgave them in one way (*west philadelphia born and raised* lol), but i also grew to like the fact that there were huge woods to walk through and lots of weird, old american history to think about.
that TriboroRX thing is fucking tear-jerking, that would be amazing if that happened.
― it is his "enigmatic signifier" (the table is the table), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:13 (thirteen years ago) link
I think iatee is saying that there's ALREADY the population density in the outer boroughs of NYC to support whole new train lines that would go to places people really need to go.
The problem, as someone already said today, is that when you build trains to connect suburbs, you still need a car to go where you're going when you get there. It's not that the trains wouldn't be useful AT ALL, they just are less useful overall and they don't substitute for driving within the suburban community. Or something.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:16 (thirteen years ago) link
although not my thing personally (cities 4 life) having gone to a midwest liberal arts college i wholly support this as a viable alternative. extremely cheap living, small towns in the midwest are kinda dope, if you can deal w/ the small town thing
― geeks, dweebs, nerds & lames (D-40), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Small towns give me blind, scrabbling panic on some level. Or just the memory of when I used to feel like that. They have a lot going for them, though...if you can deal with the small town thing.
Otoh if it were a "liberal college town" it would already be nothing like my experience.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, i spent 5+ years at lolOberlin. it's kind of the quintessential small liberal town. a little icky in parts, but overall, a very nice town with everything a small town comes with, just with a more friendly and libertine air.
― it is his "enigmatic signifier" (the table is the table), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link
but not everyone who lives off the subway system in ny owns a car - in fact many of these nyc 'suburban' neighborhoods are super dense as far as america goes and already have lower car ownership rates than most 'big cities'. lots of people do drive, but that might not work if you work in midtown. most people just have shitty commutes and unnecessarily inconvenient lives on overwhelemed bus lines.
― iatee, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
can you explain how you're classifying Laurel's Brooklyn trips as different from my familial ones?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:31 (thirteen years ago) link
a. she is taking a bus or a trainb. she is in brooklyn so she is probably 'cooler' than you
― iatee, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:34 (thirteen years ago) link
in order to take the train from my place to hers it'd mean 1st going all the way to Union Station to transfer. Would be 2hr journey.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:37 (thirteen years ago) link
ia, my second paragraph was about Chicago, that was probably only clear inside my head. That's how the trips are different.
― Back up the lesbian canoe (Laurel), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link
granny I'm sorry but the fact that your town has shitty transit access is not the killer argument you think it is
― iatee, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:40 (thirteen years ago) link
what is my argument?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:43 (thirteen years ago) link
why dont' you tell us instead of being snarky and having weird meltdowns
― dayo, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm just not getting why you're in favor of connecting east-west NYC via rail but connecting north-south Chicago is mockable.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know how far out in chicago you live, but connecting two suburbs w/ passenger rail generally doesn't make sense as increasing service to urban areas because the density and ridership isn't there.
connecting two extremely dense parts of new york makes a lot of sense because there are a ton of people who are just waiting there for a train to come for them, even in really far out parts of new york city. eventually a bus comes for them instead and then they take that bus to a train.
― iatee, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:50 (thirteen years ago) link
make as much sense as*
and yet the planning commission has recommended just such a thing
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:51 (thirteen years ago) link
well that's marvelous
― goole, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:53 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks for contributing
American city planning commissions have been shown to act wisely, efficiently, and with the publics interest in mind in the past
― dayo, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:54 (thirteen years ago) link
oh god, now y'all know more than the planning commission. it never ends.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:55 (thirteen years ago) link
danny can you, in a few sentences, state what your position even is? i really have no idea
― goole, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:56 (thirteen years ago) link
er 'granny'
...
― dayo, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:56 (thirteen years ago) link
I think he thinks I have it out for his imaginary train
I don't even know where he lives, also I am for all trains, ever
― iatee, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:57 (thirteen years ago) link
having a definable position on something like ~the suburbs~ makes no sense to me, but I agree w/your statement earlier: i don't think there is an optimal way of living! people should pay for what they're getting, is the point. because the real costs will be always be paid, somehow, in the end
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link
cool man, everything is ~relative~
― dayo, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 05:03 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno how many times ppl have made the distinction that 'the suburbs' is not a very precise term and not exactly what people have a 'position' on in any case
― goole, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 05:06 (thirteen years ago) link
then what do you want my position on?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 05:07 (thirteen years ago) link
no i think i got it
― goole, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 05:08 (thirteen years ago) link
marvelous
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link
depends on what type people they are
― brodie, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 07:14 (thirteen years ago) link
brodie otm
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 12:33 (thirteen years ago) link
I have no idea what's going on itt now.
― a Guatemalan gay man who likes to gamble and smokes marijuana (The Reverend), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link
it got hit by broburban spawl
― iatee, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link
it's like regular sprawl except all transportation is done via a complicated system of bellhops
― iatee, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link
http://www.theonion.com/articles/chrysler-introduces-new-midsized-sedan-for-inhome,20295/?utm_source=recentnews
― iatee, Tuesday, 3 May 2011 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link
La Vie Broheem
― 'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 3 May 2011 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link
http://news.9ask.cn/fcjf/UploadFiles_8740/201001/2010011817135859.jpg
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 06:55 (twelve years ago) link
is that china?
― iatee, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 13:57 (twelve years ago) link
yuh
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/may/10/china.jonathanwatts?cat=world&type=article
― dayo, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:38 (twelve years ago) link
Now, he is held up as a national hero. But he says the guiding principle is simple. "People here have five aims in life: money, a car, a house, a son, and respect. We give them that. Every family here is rich. Our target now is to make all of China rich."
― iatee, Wednesday, 4 May 2011 14:41 (twelve years ago) link