Maybe as far as human beings do, but not as far as politicians go (see Chimpanzee squatting in the Oval Office presently).
> He was a phony liberal--
Um, Clinton never really claimed to be a liberal; he was always pretty upfront about being a moderate. And anyone (other than those who listen to Rush Limbaugh) who thinks otherwise was in a coma from 1993-2001.
> he pretended to care while he filled his pockets,
Um, how exactly did Clinton "fill his pockets"? And would you like to have his his legal bills (fighting off Ken Pornstarr wasn't cheap, ya know)?
> manipulated people shamelessly, and liedliedlied.
As to the first, he was a politician ... it was his job (and the job of any politician) to manipulate people. As for being a "liar," other than lying about not getting head from Monica what else did Clinton lie about?
― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mike Hanley, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Nitsuh on globalisation: *word for word* what I feel. The simplification of all these issues (not least by Blair who condemns all protestors as an "anarchist circus" and refuses to discuss any of the issues at length or in depth *at all*) is perhaps the most shameful thing about the media in the last few years, and that's some fucking achievement.
― Robin Carmody, Sunday, 29 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 5 June 2004 06:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 5 June 2004 06:44 (nineteen years ago) link
Didn't Reagan turn the US from being the world's biggest creditor to the world's biggest debtor? I think I read that somewhere - quite an "achievement".
― MarkH (MarkH), Saturday, 5 June 2004 07:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― TheNewJMod (JMod), Saturday, 5 June 2004 15:48 (nineteen years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/94/Contra_flyer.jpg/451px-Contra_flyer.jpg
― and what, Saturday, 29 December 2007 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
haw!
― gershy, Saturday, 22 March 2008 02:46 (sixteen years ago) link
A quote from our beloved veep, Mr. Richeard Cheney: "Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter."
Boy howdy, are we going to pay for that sterling bit of wisdom. Big time!
― Aimless, Saturday, 22 March 2008 18:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Why the hell were we in Vietnam? Like it would matter that it became communist. Like it would harm the US in some way.
Interesting article on the topic:
The Old Revolutionaries of Vietnam, by Tom Hayden
― Z S, Saturday, 22 March 2008 19:08 (sixteen years ago) link
As for being a "liar," other than lying about not getting head from Monica what else did Clinton lie about?
-- Tadeusz Suchodolski, Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:00 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Link
lol democrats
― and what, Saturday, 22 March 2008 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link
i guess hitchens was wrong, bill actually did have one person left to lie to
on RR and Alzheimers
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39561/bill-oreilly-reagan-alzheimers/
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 November 2015 20:35 (eight years ago) link
ON SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 1985, a short article appeared on page A12 of the Washington Post under the headline “Managua Said to Get Military Copters.”
The article stated that “Recently stepped-up shipments from Warsaw Pact countries to Nicaragua include at least two Polish Mi2 helicopters that can be used as gunships,” attributing this to “government officials with access to the latest intelligence reports.”
The last of the story’s seven paragraphs clarified that just one of the Polish helicopters actually was “equipped with launchers for air-to-ground rockets.”
This was about the hottest of hot political topics at the time: the battle between Nicaragua’s socialist Sandinista government and the U.S.-backed Contra brigades trying to overthrow it. While the Contras had been directly financed by the U.S. starting in 1981, the first year of Ronald Reagan’s presidency, after several years public pressure eventually forced Congress to cut off all military aid....
When National Security Agency analyst Deborah Maklowski got into work the Monday after the Post’s article appeared, her branch chief jokingly asked her how much money she’d gotten for it.
That’s because, as Maklowski recounted in 2004 for SIDtoday, the NSA’s internal newsletter, she’d just written a report on this subject and distributed it internally. “The only change” in the Post article from her analysis, according to Maklowski, “was the lack of classification. … The Post had not seen fit to edit my text at all!” (The Intercept is publishing Maklowski’s account today alongside 261 other articles from SIDtoday.)
As Maklowski told the story, she had “been following a deal in the making between Cenzin, the Polish government entity that handled foreign military sales, and the pro-Soviet Sandinista government of Nicaragua. … When I got the specs on this one [helicopter] and saw that it would be equipped with rocket launchers, I put out a report.”
Maklowski continued: “My guess is that the White House, which was looking for anything that would help make a case with Congress for support for the Contras, just unilaterally decided to release the SIGINT [signals intelligence] to the press, without asking and without sanitization, as yet one more piece of evidence of Soviet (well, sort of) support for the Sandinistas.”
https://theintercept.com/2016/12/07/reagan-administration-cavalierly-leaked-nsa-signals-intelligence-apparently-without-informing-the-agency/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 17:59 (seven years ago) link