ned, i KNEW you were going to post that post. you are a swine and a half ;-)
― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 16:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
For starters 94-96 [just limiting it to British artists]
great music was made by:bark psychosis, laika, o'rang, scorn, techno animal, The aloof, tricky, anaethma, slam, underworld and the year of 1995: jungle music one of most exciting British music cultures of alltime - was in full flow - the NME and MM virtually ignored it, apart from the odd column from Simon Reynolds. every thursday on Radio 1 at 9 - 10 - essential listening in 1995.
what fucking annoyed me was the overwhelming suffocation of NME, MM and music on TV at the time - that music revolved around a bunch of shitty conservative trad retro bands peddling melodic songs crap. The two media henchmen: Lamacq and Chris Evans were responsible for the utter mess.
the britpop/ladrock that i refer to, that stank of trad retro-isms: Shed 7, Cast, Bluetones, OCS, Oasis, Kula Shaker, Supergrass, Dodgy and Paul Weller.
I remember picking up the MM/ NME in 94/ 95 and 96 and shaking my head - how utterly wrong-headed they were each week.
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
all released at least one song i like! ok...not Shed 7...or OCS...
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
This is still true! In 6 years time are people going to be talking about the Vines, Datsuns, Libertines etc as the most exciting music being made in 2003? Er....bollocks are they.
But re: Tom's point - the pop is the important thing. Pulp & Blur especially released fantastic pop records during the 'Britpop' period that would have sounded fantastic regardless of whatever scene they were attached to. Obviously most of the really good guitar music being made 94-96 wasn't considered 'mainstream' Britpop - eg SFA, Boo Radleys, Gorky's - but what's new? At what point in the last 25 years has there not been great British guitar music, and when has the best stuff ever been the most widely celebrated?
So: Britpop as a 'scene' or 'movement' is worthless - a marketing device, basically. Some good records were made, lots of shit ones were too. It is entirely unremarkable.
― pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Langley, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
the thing that annoys me the most about the 'Live Forever' film is how the makers are repeatedly quoted as inferring that the 80s were just awful and Britpop/the 90s made everything better again and i just want to slap them for being so fucking wrong
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
looking back on Britpop some terrific singles came out, a few great albums but for 'rock critics' its albums that count. But i guess its the whole flag waving thing that embarrasses everyone. I just wonder how Scottish people felt about 'Britpop'. I cant imagine scots waving union jacks with vigour somehow (or the welsh)Steve M , the 90s and the 80s had as many great singles/bands/albums as the 60s & 70s. And the same amount of rubbish. Sometimes you just need to dig deeper. Clearly the person responsible for 'Live Forever'film didnt.
― Langley, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
I wonder why Britpop remains so unloveable. Similar scenes like Merseybeat and Glam (if you discount the great groups involved in both) had loads of chancers and mediocre music, but they had some kind of charm, some sense of fun. I think Britpop is hated for its cynicism, the blatant but ironised careerism of the participants. Nobody was grateful.
― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 17:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Langley, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
i'm trying to disprove thi, but no joy yet...
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
Stevem I mean they're inherently good even if the record is rubbish - they're like tiny micro-universes of pop where you can glimpse strange alternate realities in which the usual rules do not apply.
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― pete b. (pete b.), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
ha, never mind that Chandrasonic was a fan of The Byrds at this time (according to NME end of year singles round-up panel)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
It will be interesting to see how much junk in the past decade makes the 100.
last time around they did it was October 93 http://www.rocklist.net/nme_writers.htm
[i,e pre britpop era, i define the Britpop era as April 94 onwards (death of Cobain, focus on Britain: first Oasis single and the english culture of Parklife)
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Steve McCluskey, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Steve McCluskey, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
i quite like the idea of Britpop as Messiah/sacrifical lamb - crucified for our sins...but that needs developing.
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― matthew james (matthew james), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
Anyway, weren't Echobelly Britpop? And Sonia was GREAT and 'Call me Names' is a top song, and far better than any ADF song on the same subject. So they are talking bollox.
Britpop wasn't flag waving anyway. I was there. And from what I remember it was people of all creeds and colours dancing to Sleeper in the indie discos. In fact, I was the only Brit in the student flat from January - May 1996, so any notion that Britpop was racist is ignorant pish.
And the 'new lad' thing... well fair enough, but that was just Oasis and don't think many of their beer guzzling, lardass fans would have been into the effetism of Pulp, The Divine Comedy, Suede et al.
I have fond memories of the period. I enjoyed many of the bands (yes, as it has been well documented, even Sleeper) and still rate Pulp as one of my three fave bands of all time. I agree there was a lot of toss came from Britpop, but so what? Cherish it for albums such as 'Coming Up' (the only Suede that is likely to be classed as 'Britpop' IMO), 'Definately Maybe', 'Different Class' and '1977'. I still love The Bluetones as well. I thought 'Science and Nature' was a great album.
But anyway, I'm sure many will want to rip me a new asshole for defending Britpop. But that article is toss. Chris Evans may have been many things, but he was not Howard Stern, who is as bigoted and fuckwitted and pig ignorant as even the more braindead George Bush voter.
― Calum Robert, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
Shed Seven get a hard time of it, and although I'm not too familiar wasn't Chasing Rainbows quite good? Better than Coldplay anyway...
― Calum Robert, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
Try to remember Nick Berry's "Every Loser Wins", which is always handy in such moments.
― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
Simply know what I like - and like many of the songs and albums from that period. It reminds me of a pretty special time in my life so, oh, please forgive me for not being all snobbery and instead relying on some 'excitable sweariness'.
I hope one day music will mean the same to you - be it good, bad or indifferent.
― Calum Robert, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dave M. (rotten03), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
and Dave M, understand that the hatred for Britpop is more to do with the fact that you were buying into this idea of 'Brit Culture' that didnt include a whole load of other things that were arguably just as important, meaningful and reverential as 'Cool Britannia' e.g. the development of club culture in the UK following the illegal raves fallout and urban dance genres, rise of garage etc. - fair enough if thats not your bag tho, but if you were only into it for the 'whole Anglophile trip' then itd be shame if you had not realised there was/is a lot more to youth culture in Britain than whatever bands were being championed by NME and Radio 1 at that time
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
D'oh! *flees* ;-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― matthew james (matthew james), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
I bought The Libertines album to day and, erm, contrary to what was said earlier... I think it sounds really good. Pretty much builds on the singles I had heard. The Vines are cack and despite what NME might tell you they are a poor live band that drove people away in their crowds when they played Gig on the Green (they have to be one of the worst live acts I've ever seen).
― Calum Robert, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
these people did not know about: bark psychosis, laika, scorn, o.rang, flying saucer attack, insides, disco inferno, techno animal etal as championed by the Lizard and The Wire magazine.
the younger britpop generation knew nothing about the late 80s music as documented by Simon Reynolds in Blissed Out book, their music experiences/ knowledge did not include post-punk /industrial music.
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― s samson, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 19:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Langley, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 20:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― s samson, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Langley, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 20:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― langley, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 20:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
Who cares? How snobby and elitist can you get? I know nothing of the bands you mention - but big fucking deal. I bet you know very little of cinema history does that mean that I have a write to castigate you for enjoying the latest Hollywood blockbuster when you may be unfamilair with the work of Kurosawa, Welles, Hitchcock, Lang, Griffiths et al?
And for England please dig your head out of sand and read Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland into that. Hence BRITPOP. Christ, there are four countries in the UK you know.
"Britpop failed because it was a misguided and futile attempt to ignore the fact the the Rolling Stones were the only thing of any worth to come from Britain in the last 50 years"
Hmmmmmmmmm. I can't be arsed answering that actually.
― Calum Robert, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 20:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Langley, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 20:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Langley, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 20:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― dave q, Tuesday, 4 March 2003 20:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
these are EDL also-rans tho
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:07 (six years ago) link
the Brandon Block story alone made it a pretty great thread revive tbh
― calzino, Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:09 (six years ago) link
i used to have this thing about Gaz Coombesi used to play him every blue moonsgod bless blue moonsgod bless Gaz Coombes
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:10 (six years ago) link
The South; supposedly ex members of The Beautiful South but.. anyone?
Alison Wheeler (Vocals), Gaz Birtles (Vocals), Phil Barton (Guitars), Steve Nutter (Bass), Dave Anderson (Drums), Karl Brown (Percussion), Gareth John (Trumpet), Su Robinson (Sax) and Andy Price (Keys).
When The Beautiful South split in 2007, some members of the band didn’t feel ready to hang up their microphones or instruments just yet…The South feature former members of The Beautiful South including singer Alison Wheeler and lifelong sax player Gaz Birtles.Since original singer Dave Hemingway left the group earlier this year, Gaz has now moved across to vocal duties. They play the songs made famous by The Beautiful South and bring back the full flavour and excitement with the nine piece live band.
Come on! Let’s Carry On… Regardless!
― piscesx, Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:14 (six years ago) link
i know that Gaz too, he's a good bloke
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:17 (six years ago) link
I skipped Turrican B's Groove, it's a bit of a dud.
― calzino, Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:17 (six years ago) link
scratch that, i think he just looks like a lad i know
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:19 (six years ago) link
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEtWdI9FByA
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:21 (six years ago) link
There isn't a single original member of The Beautiful South in that band!
(several x-posts)
― Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:25 (six years ago) link
then i had a couple of rums and a morning bopping around in the shower to Iron Maiden and fuck it, here i am
this is a v irresponsible use of water fyi
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:28 (six years ago) link
I FELT GUILTY AS I WAS DOING IT
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:30 (six years ago) link
bring your water to the slaughter
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:33 (six years ago) link
i love you man
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:36 (six years ago) link
even a terrible thread can be turned to beauty
http://www.barryanddistrictnews.co.uk/resources/images/1991784/?type=responsive-gallery-fullscreen
― i gotta be a gazpacho man (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 3 February 2018 12:47 (six years ago) link
nobody can grudge me this revival after that post!!
― Algerian Goalkeeper (Odysseus), Saturday, 3 February 2018 13:50 (six years ago) link
vg+
― Mark G, Saturday, 3 February 2018 14:07 (six years ago) link
I just had a delayed lol about this, after my third lager.
― calzino, Saturday, 3 February 2018 15:52 (six years ago) link
lager lager shouting shouting on the third stage Sunday.
― drugs don't kill people, poppers do (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 3 February 2018 15:53 (six years ago) link
Off the back of the Guardian article I am staring at another one of these festivals. I must be maturing, calming down, because it fills me with questions rather than horror. Would I enjoy the Primitives and Darling Buds less when they're sandwiched between Back to the Planet and Bentley Rhythm Ace? In fact, wouldn't it have been better to get Senser and Back to the Planet on the same day? Would a Cud fan be offended that they're further down the listing than Kingmaker (for a day)? Is it contractual that eg Chris Helme isn't Chris Helme (The Seahorses) but Miles Hunt is Miles Hunt (of the Wonder Stuff)? Why are The Beat there? idk, I have no answers.
― woof, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:41 (five years ago) link
MILF EMF POOL PARTY
― Neil S, Thursday, 6 September 2018 13:44 (five years ago) link
In fact, wouldn't it have been better to get Senser and Back to the Planet on the same day?
this is most likely because someone or everyone in Senser works Monday to Friday, c'mon
― ▫◌▫ (sic), Thursday, 6 September 2018 17:58 (five years ago) link
(xp) Unbelievable *gets coat*
― Visibly Over 25 (snoball), Thursday, 6 September 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link
read the article, then one of the comments made me listen to the campag velocet 'comeback' album.result.
― mark e, Thursday, 6 September 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/qjbdzx/lads-gak-and-union-jacks-the-oral-history-of-cool-britannia
Lads, Gak and Union Jacks: The Oral History of 'Cool Britannia'"The thing is, so much of it was about bullshit."
Eurgh.
I laughed a bit @:
Luke Haines: At the time I thought most of it was garbage. Now I think some of it was quite groovy. Menswe@r were good and they made a disastrous second album – a country album – that was only released in Japan. I rate them highly for this.
Otherwise, we’ve seen it all.
― afriendlypioneer, Monday, 1 November 2021 11:24 (two years ago) link