PHILIP ANSELMO: If You Fuck With The U.S., You're Going To Have To Pay

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yeah, man, if anything, Gillespie's ideas are way more 'dangerous' as far as I'm concerned.

(and yeah, he's a dumbass. It's part of his charm.)

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Bobby G has never idolised or even mentioned Stalin.
His father was a trade unionist and those views of Gillespie's are very common in the Glasgow "red clydesiders" area. None of them espoused stalinism...

― Rock bastard, Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not sure exactly how much Bobby has sided with Stalin. Surely not as much as Robert Wyatt, who I've never seen picked up on it.

I was just saying that Communism can be advocated much more comfortably by humanists than Fascism, since the former doesn't involve hatred of necessity.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

But which one resonates with more evil in our current political climate? Which ideology is more dangerous right now? Communism or plain old American bigotry?

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Since POAB has all the nukes right now, I'd pick that.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

haha - ts: whigs vs. wahhabism

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not talking 'sides' - i'm talking ideology.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

haha - you're playing dodgeball dude

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

poorly

― cinniblount (James Blount), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure Gillespie embraces the utopian ideal of communism, which means he just doesn't think out his ideas. He's an E'd up goof but harmless. Anselmo sounds like an asshole. Considering the current climate I think the answer is pretty obvious.

― Gear! (Gear!), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Anselmo makes Gene Simmons sound like Ghandi by comparison.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Stalinism, if not Marxism, is pretty much dead, i.e. I haven't noticed any Stalinist countries dictating International Law lately.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes but he also rocks way harder than that talentless, greedy pussy.

And the answer IS obvious, I agree.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

It's too bad that Jimmy Bower has to hang out with Phil. He's better than that.

ahhhhhahahaha. the sad thing is it's totally true.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Hasn't Gene Simmons worn a dhoti occasionally, or should I lay off the booze?

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I would happily mock Bobby Gillespie is somebody started a thread about him.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Mocking Bobby Gillespie is kind of like mocking Weird Al.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Mocking Bobby Gillespie is kind of like mocking Weird Al.

Hahahahahahaha

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 7 August 2004 17:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I just hope we don't see any Superjoint Ritual/Pantera fans parrotting Anselmos views. (unfortunately theres probably plenty on messageboards all over the internet).

― Rock bastard, Saturday, 7 August 2004 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Anselmo is probably speaking for the dumber end of his fan-base, rather than influencing the ones that can read.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 7 August 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Anselmo seems to exemplify the typical confused, contradictory, incoherent stance on race and politics that a lot of rednecks have.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 7 August 2004 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i wouldn't worry about that. He does weild a lot of influence, but any Anselmo fans who get into White Power shit because of him were probably predisposed to asshattery anyway

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 7 August 2004 18:10 (nineteen years ago) link

but, to be fair, most liberals I know have a similarly confused, contradictory and incoherent stance, if not more so.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 7 August 2004 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, that's a given. It's just that they don't advocate killing people.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Saturday, 7 August 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"It's time to make a parking lot — put a flag in the ground and call it the United States of the Middle East."

A friend of mine had some Israeli co-workers who when asked about the goings-on in the Middle East said the exact same thing about "turning it into a parking lot."

― Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Saturday, 7 August 2004 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

That said, I'm really sensitive to the ILX witch-hunting when it comes to 'racism' around here.

I've always thought that witch-hunting is a term best used when talking about ppl accusing and condemning others for stuff that they haven't actually done/views they don't actually have, as opposed to accusing and condemning ppl based on actions that they have taken and views that they have endorsed.

But which one resonates with more evil in our current political climate? Which ideology is more dangerous right now? Communism or plain old American bigotry?

Roger, are you a time traveller?

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 7 August 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Phils on something lately. hes been throwing up on stage and nodding off during interviews.

― Sir Chaki McBeer III (chaki), Saturday, 7 August 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

he's been an on-and-off junkie for along time i think.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 7 August 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

He technically 'died' for a few minutes when he overdosed didn't he?

― Rock bastard, Saturday, 7 August 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link

One of my editors interviewed him when Ozzfest hit Ohio; he said there was a roadie sitting next to Anselmo for the whole interview whose job seemed to be to literally kick Phil awake when he nodded off. So he may well be back on the smack.

A Lethal Dose Of American Hatred is a very good album. So's Ted Nugent's Craveman. I listen to both all the time. And when I saw Nugent at Irving Plaza in January 2001, I wished he'd shut the fuck up between songs, too.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 7 August 2004 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Donald Duck Connection

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 7 August 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Look, as much as I love Pantera's second album, Phil Anselmo -- and his former bandmates would invariably agree with me -- is, was, and always will be an utter fucking moron. To stick a microhphone in his gob and ask him to sound off on current events confirms as much.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 7 August 2004 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

agreed. But that should go for all musicians / actors who feel the need to sound off.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 7 August 2004 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Donald Duck voice Tony Anselmo a relative of his?

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Saturday, 7 August 2004 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone here actually heard any of Pantera's old indie hair-metal stuff? I bet it's pretty fuckin funny, considering...

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 7 August 2004 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Did they even record?

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 8 August 2004 00:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Y Pant Tera Reid

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 8 August 2004 00:10 (nineteen years ago) link

1983 - Metal Magic
1984 - Projects In the Jungle
1985 - I Am The Night
1988 - Power Metal (Phil Anselmos 1st)
All 4 hair metal albums on 'Metal Magic' Records.

Haven't heard any of them, but I expect it's like the indie White Zombie albums. they will be all over soulseek.

― Rock bastard, Sunday, 8 August 2004 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

"I Am The Night" - what a great title, a real 80's title

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 8 August 2004 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link

If you look on AMG you can see the album covers. THATS REAL 80's STUFF!

― Rock bastard, Sunday, 8 August 2004 00:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know the new way to post pics. Could someone please post the 4 album covers for me? They really are worth showing.

― Rock Bastard, Sunday, 8 August 2004 00:25 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.vdopantera.com/albums/pm/pix/pwr_mtle.gif

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 8 August 2004 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link

hehe the 1st album is the best/worst though.

― Rock bastard, Sunday, 8 August 2004 00:32 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.mothermetal.com/Images/metalmagic.jpg

― Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Sunday, 8 August 2004 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.mothermetal.com/Images/projectsinthejungle.jpg

― Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Sunday, 8 August 2004 00:41 (nineteen years ago) link

and finally:

http://www.mothermetal.com/Images/iamthenight.jpg

― Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Sunday, 8 August 2004 00:42 (nineteen years ago) link

My 2 and a half year old daughter would've drawn better covers than thatthem.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 8 August 2004 00:43 (nineteen years ago) link

is that Phil on the Power Metal cover, third from left w/ denim vest?

― Joseph Pot (STINKOR™), Sunday, 8 August 2004 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Nice fringe.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 8 August 2004 01:01 (nineteen years ago) link

agreed. But that should go for all musicians / actors who feel the need to sound off.

b-b-b-b-but Roger YOU ARE A MUSICIAN!!!

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 8 August 2004 01:15 (nineteen years ago) link

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"it's the only language they understand"

BRILLIANT!

― mei (mei), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 11:20 (nineteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

This might give the Paul Stanley stage banter mix a run for its money

https://soundcloud.com/daniel-hill-15/phil

― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 December 2013 00:12 (ten years ago) link

i brought the underground into pantera

― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 December 2013 00:15 (ten years ago) link

longmont potion castle editing is dope too

― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 December 2013 00:15 (ten years ago) link

that song is for homos, etc

― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 December 2013 00:17 (ten years ago) link

before this was the music of tomorrow i was saying this is the music of tomorrow

― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 December 2013 00:42 (ten years ago) link

don't sit there lookin at me like i'm gonna explode or lasers are gonna shoot outta my dick

― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 December 2013 00:43 (ten years ago) link

Poll in 5...4...3...2...

― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 6 December 2013 01:33 (ten years ago) link

this next song is "fuck your enemy" - thank you!

― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 December 2013 01:58 (ten years ago) link

just out of curiosity at the....metal fuckin....festival thing

― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 December 2013 16:43 (ten years ago) link

this next song is called "creepy crawl" thankuverymuch

― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 December 2013 16:44 (ten years ago) link

there ain't no BALLS amongst the two of you

― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 December 2013 16:45 (ten years ago) link

i meant what i said....unless there's some shit i can't see out there

― My Chief Keef Keef (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 6 December 2013 21:23 (ten years ago) link

so good

― napgenius (goole), Saturday, 7 December 2013 05:52 (ten years ago) link

this is amazing work

― Al He Miola (Spottie), Saturday, 7 December 2013 06:19 (ten years ago) link

so great

― deez the season (some dude), Saturday, 7 December 2013 12:41 (ten years ago) link

oh man, I thought the joke was gonna wear thin, but the final minute had me in stitches. "Let me hear some motherfuckin' NOISE while we walk outta here!!"

― confused subconscious U2 association (bernard snowy), Saturday, 7 December 2013 23:42 (ten years ago) link

Somebody get me a morphine...milkshake

― chr1sb3singer, Saturday, 7 December 2013 23:49 (ten years ago) link

ten months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlctiBLuG2E

― am0n, Friday, 24 October 2014 16:35 (nine years ago) link

hahaha. This is pretty much what all metal sounds like to me, though...

― Deliciously hard yet very accessible (Dan Peterson), Friday, 24 October 2014 16:46 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGCbip5zobA

― how's life, Friday, 24 October 2014 16:48 (nine years ago) link

huh i never noticed those low-register vocal overdubs on the run up to the chorus

― u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 October 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link

yeah thats the best part, along with the final "walk on home boy"

― am0n, Friday, 24 October 2014 19:25 (nine years ago) link

I like Pantera but Anselmo might be one of the more fascist, douchiest musicians in rock. I'm not sure the rest of the band shared his views, I remember reading somewhere that they felt embarrassed by his attitudes.

― Moka, Friday, 24 October 2014 19:53 (nine years ago) link

eight months pass...

I think really where the use of the rebel flag or Confederate flag with us really came from was from our love of bands like Lynyrd Skynyrd and whatnot — shit like that, you know. There was never a time when it was okay to promote hate without a little bit of the tongue-in-cheek. It was never this blatant thing, unless I was completely out of my mind, which I was at points in time. I’ll own that for damn sure, but that was a long ass-time ago.
I’m coming up on 47 years old, and I think that if it’s upsetting enough to people in general — this is tough to say without taking any side — I can see where if people see it as a symbol of hate these days. I wouldn’t want anything to fucking do with it. I wouldn’t want much to fucking do with it at all. You see a Confederate flag out there that says “Heritage, not hate.” I’m not so sure I’m buying into that, you know?…
In hindsight, you know what, I would have not used it.

http://hardrockhaven.net/online/2015/07/audio-interview-with-philip-h-anselmo-of-superjoint-pantera/

― how's life, Tuesday, 14 July 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link

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