Say something nice about the South

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I want to touch people!

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 04:00 (twenty years ago) link

Southern girls make you feel at home; people are friendly; we send thank-you notes and wonder if you are feeling all right; we actually care about other people and it shows.

Sure ... but on some occasions, though, I've found 'southern hospitality' much more venomous by way of condescension + insincerity than good old fashioned northern fuck-off gruffness ...

(Isolated occasions, please understand; I totally see what you're saying, but sometimes the thinking strikes me as about as wishful as how 'plainspokenly friendly' and 'down to earth' Chicagoans get blanketly designated)

brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 04:08 (twenty years ago) link

I want to touch people!
Don't give me no lines and keep your hand to yourself!

, I've found 'southern hospitality' much more venomous by way of condescension + insincerity
I've found that this is often the hearer interpreting it through their own lens where the speaker is being perfectly sincere. The hearer isn't acculturated so assumes what they are hearing is bullshit, according to how such speech would be interpreting in their own regional culture.
imho.

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 04:12 (twenty years ago) link

I want to touch you all.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 04:30 (twenty years ago) link

Hussy.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 05:01 (twenty years ago) link

MIKEY'S CLASSIC THINGS ABOUT THE SOUF

1). GRAVEYARDS! RIGHT BY THE ROADSIDE!

2). CIVIL WAR BATTLEFIELDS! WITH CANNONS(Forgive me, I'm a history teacher!

3). BIG ASS GLASSES OF SWEET TEA!

4). RELATIVE EASE OF ACCESS TO LIQUOR, FIREWORKS, LIQUOR AND FIREARMS!

5). PIGGLY WIGGLY!

6). TAKING A WEEK TO TELL A STRANGER THE TIME!

Michael Stuchbery (Mikey Bidness), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 05:11 (twenty years ago) link

4). RELATIVE EASE OF ACCESS TO LIQUOR, FIREWORKS, LIQUOR AND FIREARMS!

You forgot liquor!

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 05:16 (twenty years ago) link

1). GRAVEYARDS! RIGHT BY THE ROADSIDE!

Is this unusual? Where else would they be?

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 05:17 (twenty years ago) link

is that unusual? I'm gaping with horror at the north again

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 05:18 (twenty years ago) link

Piggly Wiggly rules, hoss.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 05:20 (twenty years ago) link

Randalls and H-E-B ran them out of these parts. But I remember them from when I was a kid. Such a happy little pig on their sign! You could just imagine how he would wiggle!

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 05:21 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, sadly, the past couple of decades have seen the decline of nearly all Affiliated Food Stores. Of which PW was one. There are still a couple in the hood I teach in but they are few and far betwee these days.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 05:24 (twenty years ago) link

few and far betwee

Ha! I like that. Like they're far apart, and excessively cute.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 05:25 (twenty years ago) link

ah fuck off. i'm kinda tipsy and have to be at school in 6 hrs!

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 05:28 (twenty years ago) link

I know! You didn't actually think I was making fun of your spelling, did you? This is me we're talking about.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 05:33 (twenty years ago) link

Our electricity stays on!

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 05:48 (twenty years ago) link

I love H-E-B. Especially on a Saturday night, if I can get to go there and do my grocery shopping on a Saturday night. Their music system plays the most amazing mix of '80s songs and it's so wonderfully exciting shopping to, for example, the Human League's "The Lebanon" or Joboxer's "Just Got Lucky". It delights me to no end.

One truly great thing about the South is that the following people are/were Southerners:

Martin Luther King, Jr. (and his widow, Coretta Scott King)
Medgar and Charles Evers
Tennessee Williams
James Earl Jones
Oprah Winfrey
George Clooney (if you can count KY as the South)
Ron Howard
Will Rogers
Maya Angelou
Leontyne Price
Ray Charles
Otis Redding
Janis Joplin
Buddy Holly

... and I just found out through searching online that one of the few MTV personalities I actually really like still to this day, Tabitha Soren, WAS BORN IN SAN ANTONIO! YES!

Just Deanna (Dee the Lurker), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 05:53 (twenty years ago) link

The hearer isn't acculturated so assumes what they are hearing is bullshit

"Your head is full of their language / There's wisdom there you're sure"

(I wondered if this weren't the case.)

jackson anderville, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 06:11 (twenty years ago) link

I've found that this is often the hearer interpreting it through their own lens where the speaker is being perfectly sincere.

Maybe, but most people can hear sincerety or the lack thereof through any accent or cultural habits the speaker may have. If Brian says he has encountered rude and slightly sinister Southerners, I see no reason to doubt him. So have I.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 06:16 (twenty years ago) link

gentility can certainly be weaponized, like anything else ...

jackson anderville, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 06:24 (twenty years ago) link

George W. Bush to thread.

Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 06:28 (twenty years ago) link

Yeh ... file 'weaponized' under other nonesteemed words that crack me up ...

jackson anderville, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 06:52 (twenty years ago) link

"Weaponized" is a perfectly cromulent word.

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:24 (twenty years ago) link

Southern hospitality is just as overrated as the supposed Northern standoffishness. There are plenty of nice people and plenty of assholes no matter where you are.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:30 (twenty years ago) link

Sshh, Ally, you're shattering our mystique! Our mystique!

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

i hate dennmark

Christian Vasbotn Braaten (Christian Vasbotn Braaten), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:54 (twenty years ago) link

I like D.C. Apparently that's in the south.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 14:19 (twenty years ago) link

and nordicskillz - you, your children, your children's children: are dead to me


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Did I miss something?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 16:45 (twenty years ago) link

Most grocery stores have only a small shelf of karo syrup. Southern grocery stores have an ENTIRE AISLE of karo syrup.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:01 (twenty years ago) link

the hell is karo syrup?

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:10 (twenty years ago) link

DC is technically in the south, according the the Mason-Dixon line...but im going to say that you need to venture a little more southward for my definition of the south.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:13 (twenty years ago) link

You use Karo Syrup in pecan pies. slurp.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:14 (twenty years ago) link

Taco Cabana.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:19 (twenty years ago) link

Sonic.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:20 (twenty years ago) link

Shlitterbahn.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:21 (twenty years ago) link

It's Schlitterbahn. New Braunfels and the whole of the Hill Country in general to thread! ;)

Also, now that I think about it, once again I must point out that Fredericksburg, TX, is THE place to go for yummy peaches and fun times peach picking. And I'd be more than happy to start up a sign-up sheet for those who want to go peach picking next summer. I've already got Sam's and Luna's names on the sheet; who else? We could go eat barbecue afterward -- it'd be a great day!

Jane Datsun (Dee the Lurker), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:28 (twenty years ago) link

I second Sonic.

Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:30 (twenty years ago) link

You use Karo Syrup in pecan pies. slurp.

and, according to Bruce Campbell, in fake blood.

sam, would you slurp that?

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:31 (twenty years ago) link

It would bring out the sweet-toothed goth in me, King.

I'd like to add tubing the Guadalupe to what's nice about the South.

Texas Sam (thatgirl), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:37 (twenty years ago) link

It would bring out the sweet-toothed goth in me, King.

http://www.osric.com/~jeremy/hooray.jpg

Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 19:50 (twenty years ago) link

Jane - Sorry about the SCHLITTERBAHN spelling. Its just that that whole area is confusing with their german influence. Like for instance: Bexar County, 'Historical' Gruene, etc. There is a place in Gruene called the Gristmill that serves the best chicken-fried steak in the world...and its the size of a housecat. Mmmmmm...graaaavyyyyy......

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 20:11 (twenty years ago) link

Millar were you in the UT band?!!!

Yes. I was the guy in the front row who kept bringing his horn up on the wrong beat of the cadence and feeling like an out-of-place jackass (but I could play better than 90% of those other dirtbags)

Millar (Millar), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 20:14 (twenty years ago) link

"Weaponized" is a perfectly cromulent word.

It will embiggen the heart of the smallest man!

brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 23:32 (twenty years ago) link

Judging from the southerners and used-to-be-southerners on ILX all people from the south are, like, master rhetoricians or something. No insult intended, it's a good thing! If I was ever on a debate team I'd totally want y'all on my side.

Dan I., Wednesday, 20 August 2003 00:35 (twenty years ago) link

Yer damn tootin'

Strom Thurman, Ghost of (mawill5), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 00:40 (twenty years ago) link

when did Strom Thurman die?

nnnh oh oh nnnh nnnh oh (James Blount), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 00:49 (twenty years ago) link

I hear they buried Strom Thurman in Grant's tomb.

Dan I., Wednesday, 20 August 2003 00:57 (twenty years ago) link

Wearing a Neil Young T-shirt.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 00:58 (twenty years ago) link

Nevermind...that what Ronnie Van Zandt.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 00:59 (twenty years ago) link

Boiled peanuts. Used to eat them at Tybee Beach, Savannah. Now you can buy them in a bag, at Wal-Mart. They're great.

Fried okra is awesome--pick the small ones, roll around in cornmeal, fry. No egg, no breading. One of the best things in the world on a hot day, along with fried green tomatoes.

Cool thread. As do a lot of native southerners (I grew up in Tenn.), I have conflicted feelings about the region. The people in the south are usually nicer, or at least more civil, than those elsewhere. On the other hand, having just moved back to Davidson Co., Tenn. (outside Nashville) I have become re-acquainted with that weird simmering aggression and resentment that so many southerners (men, wimmen too) seem to carry around with them. It's an American trait, obviously, but I do think that southerners of a certain stripe seem to have more of it. I also find it weird that so many people around here affect this super-patriotism when in fact the whole region has always been in opposition to so many "American values." Lack of consciousness?

Jess Hill (jesshill), Wednesday, 20 August 2003 13:39 (twenty years ago) link


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