XTC fans (or non-): possible explanations of their appeal???

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thanks RSM!

Dominique, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

there are a LOT of people who only bought skylarking for dear god, so, you know, it made sense from that angle. it was a phenomenon at the time. radio played the hell out of that song. and the video was on mtv forever.

scott seward, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I've always thought it was a song that seemed way cool when were young and rebellious but rather one-note and stupid now.

Skylarking didn'tn really take off sales-wise in the U.S. until early '87, right? It made the P&J poll for both '86 and '87.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

English Settlement was the first XTC album I ever bought (15 years old, new when it came out). I'm baffled by all the hate: it's my favorite XTC albums and one of my favorites from that era period. Really, "Senses Working Overtime" isn't getting the love?

mike a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Curious whether ZS upthread likes Of Montreal or not

mitya, Thursday, 29 March 2007 06:15 (seventeen years ago) link

After driving around with the Mummer cassette on repeat in my car a couple weeks ago, I'm currently doing the same with Oranges and Lemons and thinking I dismissed it unfairly when it was first released. The whole first side ("Garden of Earthly Delights" through"Scarecrow People") is well-written, beautifully produced and INSIDIOUSLY catchy pop. I have had the hooks from every one of the songs rattling around in my head for a week. It trails off a bit for me on the second side, but overall I'm loving it enough to maybe re-buy the copy of Nonsuch I got rid of.

Dan Peterson, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:49 (seventeen years ago) link

In fact, I love Of Montreal, especially their past couple of albums. That's why my inability to enjoy XTC is sort of baffling to me, and I keep trying and trying.

People keep referring to XTC's "English eccentricity", and maybe that's part of why I like Of Montreal and not XTC. That is, maybe I can relate more to Kevin Barnes' American eccentricity where I don't really "get" Andy Partridge's. That said, my least favorite Of Montreal moments are when Barnes' lets his cheesiness shine through ("I need a lover with SOOOOOUL Power!" on the latest album, for example). I don't like Of Montreal because of his American-ness, I like them because I like the songs/melodies themselves, similar to XTC's main selling points. The difference is, XTC's supposed mindblowing songwriting isn't really obvious to me.

Z S, Thursday, 29 March 2007 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay, but didja try Drums & Wires yet? *goofy grin*

Well, I've finally given up my Fuzzy Warbles rebellion. As soon as I get some cash here I'm going to start digging in. I have heard from more than one person that they're spotty, so no one need warn me, but I guess it's just something I have to do, and the time seems right. Anyone want to give me a recommendation as to which one to start with or does it matter? Is there some kind of box set or something? Ah, I see there is...and look at this interesting Monstrance video on this link. Is that his new band or what? It's not like XTC at all, but interesting, as I say:

http://www.amazon.com/Fuzzy-Warbles-Collectors-Album-Partridge/dp/B000ICLTT6/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-7598448-1088122?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1175221226&sr=8-1

Bimble, Friday, 30 March 2007 02:27 (seventeen years ago) link

"Dear God" makes great sense as a single, because it's essentially a novelty message song: once that sort of thing somehow breaks into radio, half the people who hear it are bound to be really impressed by the sheer seriousness of its having a point. But that's the same reason it doesn't have much replay value, once you've absorbed the idea -- beyond which it just doesn't fit with the tone of the album very well, I don't think. (I.e. Pye OTM, I guess.)

Although OMG screw you, "Mermaid Smiled" is not semi-filler! "Mermaid Smiled" is one of the bestest things on there! I am going to pretend that this is self-evident, and this song was the one swapped out for "Dear God" just based on life-cycle sequencing issues, not because anyone doesn't like it.

nabisco, Friday, 30 March 2007 02:49 (seventeen years ago) link

not much Nonsuch love yet: there's some good stuff on there! Rook and My Bird Performs for example.

King for a Day is probably my least favourite XTC song - the only song by them that could seriously be described as bland.

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 30 March 2007 08:29 (seventeen years ago) link

"Nonsuch" is their second best album ever. Only beaten by "Skylarking". An absolutely marvellous album!

Geir Hongro, Friday, 30 March 2007 08:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Bimble: There is a fine "Fuzzy Warbles" thread on the sandbox.

Jump in point: Any except for number eight (starting to barrelscrape)

But it's all good. Spotty? ach what isn't?

Mark G, Friday, 30 March 2007 09:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, Nonsuch is a masterpiece as well. It was the third XTC album I've heard, but then it was a disappointment 'cause I was young and I would have liked new wave stompers like "Helicopter" or "Outside World". But in the last few years Nonsuch has grown on me, a truly great album.

Nabisco: I bought the original Skylarking first with 'Mermaid Smiled' and I don't know why, but that was the only track I liked to skip.

zeus, Friday, 30 March 2007 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Nabs & Zeus:

I don't have any special dislike for "Mermaid Smiled". I just never loved it. Sounds mushy and undecided to me -- more vague genre pastiche than anything with real meat on its bones. I wouldn't have been any sadder to lose "That's Really Super, Supergirl" *, "Season Cycle", or "Big Day". But for thematic reasons, I can see why "Mermaid" went on the block first.

* Imagine a lot of folks would argue with me here. "Supergirl" always made my teeth hurt. Similar stuff on 25 O'Clock and Psonic Psunspot is much more successful (esp. "Vanishing Girl").

Pye Poudre, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I like "Supergirl," agree with you about "Season Cycle," and see what you mean about "Big Day," though I'm pretty fond of the r&b flourishes in that last. (Like the twangy backing on the "deafened by the bells" lines, which I think is pretty much the sort of thing that blew up into the aquarium Scritti sound on Oranges & Lemons.)

nabisco, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

the weird disparity of opinion on specific XTC songs is always interesting to me. for ex., stuff other posters find treacly or too slick or whatever may be another poster's favorite song on the album. A lot of stuff people have noted as their favorite tracks on Nonsuch or A&O are things I hate! (Rook? ew.) But it says something about their range as songwriters, being able to appeal to a strange variety of aesthetics.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Nonesuch was the first I owned, and I thought at the time that if this was XTC I wanted nothing to do with them. "Dear Madam Barnum" and ""Books are Burning" are cool, but you have to endure cranky, didactic piffle like "The Smartest Monkey" and "...Peter Pumpkinhead."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:52 (seventeen years ago) link

see I think "Books are Burning" is total "didactic piffle" (although yes so is "Smartest Monkeys" - I hate both songs). "Peter Pumpkinhead" is pretty good, but really stupid JFK video wtf.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

"That Wave", "Humble Daisy", "Omnibus" are some of my fave XTC songs

Dominique, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Just listened to "Big Day". It's better than I'd remembered. Not a knockout, but the mood is gorgeous. Better than a lot of stuff on Oranges & Lemons, which I didn't like then and don't like now. Can see how the one anticipates the other, even though the Scritti (Politti?) reference goes right over my head.

Why is Nonesuch so much better than Oranges & Lemons, when they sound so similar? I ask 'cuz I suspect there's no real difference except that the songs on Nonesuch are simply more catchy, more immediately appealing to my ear. The difference is critic-proof: there's no non-music-theory-based way to explain it. You either hear it or you don't.

Pye Poudre, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link

"That Wave", "Humble Daisy", "Omnibus" are some of my fave XTC songs

I skip all those. Never understood the love for "That Wave", which just sounds so ugly and unformed to me... my favorite Nonesuch stuff is probably "Then She Appeared", "Ugly Underneath", "Holly Up On Poppy"

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

P.S. Agree about the crappiness of "Books are Burning", "Smartest Monkeys" -- hell, even "Peter Pumkinhead" annoys me. But "Humble Daisy", "The Disappointed" and "Omnibus" are great. Not a great record, but it's got moments.

Pye Poudre, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link

ooh the Dissapointed is good yeah

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I certainly hear a difference in the production -- Nonsuch has a lot of "modern" touches, like added compression, generally louder overall, deeper bass, higher highs, etc. To my ears, the songs are a bit more straightforward, not always structurally, but with fewer bells and whistles added to the arrangements.

Also, Nonsuch for me represents the "new era" XTC; Partridge's voice sounds a bit different, maybe a bit thinner, but also going for those falsetto lines more.

Dominique, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:17 (seventeen years ago) link

But Dylan and Cohen are very much about lyrics, while XTC (in spite of some very great lyrics) are mainly about melodies and harmonies.

I sometimes chafe at Geir's reductions, but this is kind of OTM, at least in terms of describing why I like XTC and why I don't have a whole lot of use for Dylan and Cohen.

jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

also greatness on Nonsuch is the very end of "Wrapped in Grey", with AP going up that high note

Dominique, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Dominique OTM. Partridge's strained falsetto leaps on the choruses almost never work for me. They often seem to indicate a failure to come up with something compelling, going instead for a dramatic (and frequently awkward) progression/resolution.

Also agree about the "bells and whistles". O&L (and XTC's post-Skylarking output in general) suffers from this overcomplexified frilliness. Not so much in the production, but in the arrangements and the songs themselves. A Sting-like fondness for jazz/R&B strategies filtered through a fussy psych-prog sensibility that too often stands as a baffle between the tunes and their delivery.

Pye Poudre, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Hee. Last post, meet x-post.

Pye Poudre, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

but you have to endure cranky, didactic piffle like "The Smartest Monkey" and "...Peter Pumpkinhead."

Not too much of a problem considering both are among the definite highlights on the album.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 30 March 2007 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link

'Nonsuch' always seemed more organic than 'Oranges and Lemons', the latter had a kind of dated sound, while 'Nonsuch' is timeless. I like almost every song there, but 'Books Are Burning' and 'Peter Pumpkinhead' are preachy and cliched a bit - 'Then She Appeared', 'Humble Daisy', 'That Wave' or 'Ugly Underneath' are my favourites perhaps.

zeus, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I absolutely loved Oranges & Lemons when it came out but it does sound a bit dated today.

Nonsuch is a real mixed bag - the quality of the tracks varies considerably from nearly-unlistenable ("Bungalow") to excellent ("The Disappointed"). I would rank "Wrapped in Grey" up there with the best pop music of the 20th century though. Everything about it is brilliant.

It took me a long time to get into XTC, and I only kept at it because most of my friends were completely nuts about them. Finally, one day I was listening to "Skylarking", it all just clicked, and they became one of my favorite bands.

The Breadmaster, Saturday, 31 March 2007 00:04 (seventeen years ago) link

I bought Nonsuch when it came out and remember being completely disappointed with it, to the point that I just sold it back and remember nothing at all about it now. But I also remember that my life was going through some major changes at the time and wonder if that might have prejudiced me at all. (I found the same kind of disappointment with another fave artist of mine's album that year, Robyn Hitchcock's Mossy Elixir)

Oranges & Lemons wasn't very good as an album either, but it did have some highlights. "King For A Day" being one of them and I will NOT tolerate any dissing of that song. We will have to step outside if you're going that route, heheh.

Thanks Mark G, I still think the best thing to do is get the big ass box set. (I usually spell it 'arse' but I feel like spelling it the US way in this case) I knew there was a thread about Fuzzy Warbles somewhere here...

Bimble, Saturday, 31 March 2007 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...

Finally!

I picked up Drums and Wires a few days ago, and I'm glad I made one more attempt with XTC. I don't know what happened in the 3 years between Drums and Wires and English Settlement, but if "Complicated Game" were to get into a schoolyard fight with a song like "Senses Working Overtime" (which I like, even), the latter would get bloodied and then have to watch his girlfriend make out with "Complicated Game".

Great song, great album. I also bought Black Sea, but I think I'm going to listen to Drums and Wires again first.

Z S, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 00:01 (sixteen years ago) link

'Complicated Game' is one of my favourite XTC songs, and one of their most underrated, period. Does the quiet to loud thing better than just about anything else, has great lyrics, and sports some truly unhinged guitar work.

Just got offed, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 00:04 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9GIxfbfob0

cutty, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 00:20 (sixteen years ago) link

the bonus tracks on the Black Sea CD are seriously incredible. "Smokeless Zone" sounds not just weird but utterly unique, unlike anything else I've ever heard, while remaining effortless and extremely fun; "Don't Lose Your Temper" has a guitar line that puts a smile on my face every time I hear it and is possibly better than anything on the album proper. especially after the rather dour "Travels in Nihilon", those tracks are like perfect little blobs of sunshine-flavored jello (wait, what the fuck?).

bernard snowy, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Actually, the best thing about the song is Partridge's delivery of the final, climactic 'God asked me...' verse. It's perfect, and I don't think vocal echo/multi-track has ever worked more splendidly. Repeat after me: RightRaRightRaRightRaRightRaRightRightRight!

OMG bryson strikes! "Smokeless Zone" is my favourite track off Black Sea (with the possible exception, and here's where you LOSE, of "Travels In Nihilon")! You forgot "The Somnambulist", btw, which still scares the living crap outta me.

Just got offed, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 01:02 (sixteen years ago) link

I wasn't counting "The Somnambulist" because I'm still not sure what to make out of it. it's sort of like those bonus tracks at the end of the notwist's Neon Golden, in that it's good, but so distinct in sound and mood from the rest of the album that it almost feels more like commentary than music.

bernard snowy, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 02:22 (sixteen years ago) link

nine years pass...

an old friend asked on fb which album his friends had owned the most copies of (in various formats), and my answer was XTC's Oranges & Lemons. i hadn't listened to it in a long time, so i pulled it out and listened to it in the car today.

to explain the appeal of XTC the first time they appealed to me is pretty easy: i was 12, they were weirder than anything i had heard before, they sang about politics and how horrible people are, they welcomed me into the garden of earthly delight, funny songs about love and genitals, their songs were catchy and not all the same, they weren't scary, and nobody else i knew had any idea who they were.

i vividly remember seeing them perform on MTV, which is what made me want to buy the album the first time. now that it's 2017, i remembered that i can see if that performance is on youtube and it is! i also found my 8th grade yearbook last week at my parents' house and i think XTC saved me from developing into a boring conformist.

all that from this performance of "scarecrow people", the song i remember liking when i saw this, probably sitting at home by myself bored and watching mtv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI8MalyCCGU

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 21 April 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link

i calculated incorrectly -- i was 13 but the sentiment remains true

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 21 April 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link

They're radio promo tour for O & L boots are pretty dope. Fun banter and slick guitar inter-play ...

BlackIronPrison, Friday, 21 April 2017 19:08 (seven years ago) link

Their - duh

BlackIronPrison, Friday, 21 April 2017 19:09 (seven years ago) link

man, wish I had a cool story like that. mine is I heard "Generals and Majors" on internet radio and then had to play it 10 more times, and eventually wondered what their other music was like

frogbs, Friday, 21 April 2017 19:11 (seven years ago) link

I honestly can't remember what my first exposure to them was. "Skylarking" was the first album I bought, but prior to that I was def familiar with Senses Working Overtime and a few other singles thanks to 91X airplay.

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 April 2017 19:13 (seven years ago) link

For me, it was just a case of knowing their two most well known tracks well ('Making Plans For Nigel' and 'Senses Working Overtime') and then checking out the albums to see if the rest of the stuff was any good. It was.

...so music and chicken have become intertwined (Turrican), Friday, 21 April 2017 19:15 (seven years ago) link

my memory of seeing that performance always made me doubt my sanity -- did it even happen? did i dream it up? i'm glad to realize i wasn't imagining it. such a great album all the way through.

at the time i was into INXS, REM, etc (lol) but also had one Cure album -- as a littler kid I loved The Beatles and XTC was the most appealing combo of modern humor and topical subject matter + well-crafted Beatley songs. i also hated Reagan and nuclear bombs so the political songs resonated a lot. i feel fortunate to have had nothing better to do that evening than watch tv by myself.

eventually i found Skylarking at the library.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 21 April 2017 19:18 (seven years ago) link

Was 15, had seen them on Urgh! and then noticed cheap cassette of English Settlement at rockheads in downtown St. Paul (the version without Africa, cockpit, leisure etc on it-- I still don't like those songs being there). Loved it right away. The year after, Skylarking came out and became the huge album of my circle of high school friends.

gimmesomehawnz (Jon not Jon), Friday, 21 April 2017 23:15 (seven years ago) link

I doubt I'm the only one that discovered them this way, but They Might Be Giants have a song called "XTC vs Adam Ant" and I was at the age where I was just starting to learn about music not on the radio and would check out literally any band I heard about. Also got into Adam Ant that way, but he is not as much a fave

Vinnie, Saturday, 22 April 2017 01:15 (seven years ago) link

about a year and a half ago a good friend of mine made a very passionate and long post on FB explaining why, "after 20 years of near constant music consumption," he'd concluded XTC was his favorite band ever, for all the reasons we know... i was in new york and about to go to Other Music so i picked up Mummer and The Big Express there. ended up being my last visit there before it closed.

the O&L radio tour is sweet. the way their guitars blend on Love on a Farmboy's Wages - oh man

https://youtu.be/cTtFTHI7Or0?t=20m13s

flappy bird, Saturday, 22 April 2017 01:16 (seven years ago) link

I doubt I'm sure I'm the only one that discovered them this way, but it was on the 1982 WOMAD benefit double album Music and Rhythm, which had a bunch of artists who played the first WOMAD festival and which I bought for the unreleased Peter Gabriel, Pete Townshend and Jon Hassell tracks. It also had "It's Nearly Africa," which I completely flipped out over.

Bought English Settlement a few weeks later and flipped out 14 more times (see, 'cause there's a total of 15 tracks). By the time Mummer came out a year later, I had bought every album and most of the singles, EPs and side projects (with a big thank you to the late lamented Venus Records on 8th St. in NYC).

Hideous Lump, Saturday, 22 April 2017 05:38 (seven years ago) link


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