d'angelo - voodoo - classic or dud?

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These 'slow release hooks' must be really subtle because this album still washes over me. Must try harder (I loved Brown Sugar fwiw).

sam500, Monday, 30 May 2011 03:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

Geez, maybe I need to revisit. Bought it used three or four years back a looong time after I'd first considered purchasing it, and it just didn't connect for me. It might have something to do with D'Angelo's tic of singing every line a little more than hair behind the beat, a neat idea in theory which ends up ratcheting everything up another order of difficulty (it's forbidding enough to begin with with). Chances are that I just don't get it, but something Dave Marsh said in an interview a few years back stuck with me - he suggested that "Voodoo" was basically a failed attempt to capture the vibe of "There's A Riot Goin' On." Generally I don't trust Marsh on music after the 1980's, but I'm a giant "Riot" fan and "Voodoo" still kinda leaves me cold.

thewufs, Monday, 30 May 2011 05:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

It took a long time to connect with me and Marsh is wrong.

The Reverend, Monday, 30 May 2011 05:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

i mostly see it as a successful attempt to capture the vibe of a d'angelo album

contenderizer, Monday, 30 May 2011 05:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ha, well I'll check it out again, then. Does he do that behind-the-beat thing on "Brown Sugar" too?

thewufs, Monday, 30 May 2011 06:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

its a 'vibe' album largely, not a song one (though yes, it does have a few great songs on it).

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 30 May 2011 14:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

its not really trying to recreate the riot atmosphere exactly, but it is something similar, that same sort of very slurred, hazy, drunken kind of vocals and ambience, though the clarity of the sonics are far too good to = riot. the main prob with voodoo is that cos it took so long to make and nothing has come after it you can throw a million things at it (fair and unfair) and it has to stack up to all of them, rather than simply be an evolutionary, feeling-my-way-around-for-something-new album which is what it seemed to be.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Monday, 30 May 2011 15:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

this album is so much more about sex than 'riot'

lebroner (D-40), Monday, 30 May 2011 16:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

True true

thewufs, Monday, 30 May 2011 21:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

Quit thinking about it so much and just vibe out to it.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Monday, 30 May 2011 21:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

There's A Sex Going On

more horses after the main event (Eazy), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 15:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

when all the tiny d'angelos suddenly snap out of their unconnected mumblings and sing "i won't steer you wrong!" it still gives me shivers right down my spine.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 15:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

his label should just do what labels used to do and release outtakes and leftovers from these sessions in place of anything new from him. id like to see what else they came up with, stuff that wasnt in the same mood as what made it on the album. have heard a few outtakes over the years but there must be more - apparently there was a title track that went on for about 20 mins. admittedly this might be better on paper than to listen to but id still like to hear it.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Tuesday, 31 May 2011 15:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

ohhhhh shiiiiiiit

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Thursday, 26 January 2012 22:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm glad he's actually working but... kinda weak tbh. he can't really do that James Brown showman stuff with any dexterity.

Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 January 2012 22:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

he hasn't played a show in over a decade? too bad you can't have a low-profile warm up show these days.

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Thursday, 26 January 2012 22:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was expecting something more low-key tbh! not this sort of classic soul revue schtick

Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

well that's what he did (prince/jb worship) for the whole voodoo tour:

i did wonder if he'd go back to it tbh, or do a brown sugar-era sitting-at-the-rhodes thing.

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

I love how the guitarists in these kinds of bands are always like statues

Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

fwiw jesse johnson (of The Time) was supposed to play guitar on this tour, but i guess he had something else to do. so they got the dude with the most similar name, jef lee johnson.

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

yeah I thought Jesse left the Time tour to do this...?

Full Frontal Newtity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm just going off this: http://www.okayplayer.com/news/dangelo-2012-tour-diary-pt-1-he-got-on-the-plane.html (lol first time i've looked at okayplayer in years).

Then there’s the newbies; Chris Dave – Rick Rubin’s favorite drummer (sacrilegious I know); Ray Angry – our boy from The Roots who’s subbing for Cleo Pookie Sample (gotta love a n**ga named Pookie). Jesse Johnson; who’s a beast but had another commitment so we have Jeff Lee Johnson–killing it.

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Thursday, 26 January 2012 23:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm glad he's actually working but... kinda weak tbh. he can't really do that James Brown showman stuff with any dexterity.

you're crazy, this is fucking great

unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 27 January 2012 14:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

aw man

J0rdan S., Monday, 30 January 2012 06:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

here's good audio of "sugar daddy"

J0rdan S., Monday, 30 January 2012 06:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

I will pay top dollar to see this man.

Good to see Pino is still on bass.

Poon Aggroved (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 30 January 2012 06:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh shit

lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Monday, 30 January 2012 06:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

otm

bear, bear, bear, Monday, 30 January 2012 07:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

piano medley:

and uh bowie:

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Monday, 30 January 2012 18:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

is that new live stuff or old?

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 16:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

think its all old

just sayin, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

holy shit he's looking good, looking happy

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 18:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

this one is killing me!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 18:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seeing him Friday night...looking forward to it but methinks he's been studying Prince a little too hard...

The Pastiche Liberation Front (sonnyboy), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

guys, you're getting me excited here.

Wie wol ich bin der vogel has noch den erfret mich das (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

methinks he's been studying Prince a little too hard

nothing new there!

the third kind of dubstep (Jordan), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

please to be posting in this thread if anyone hears about D playing NYC; he is a big bucket list musician for me to see live.

Wie wol ich bin der vogel has noch den erfret mich das (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seeing him Friday night...looking forward to it but methinks he's been studying Prince a little too hard...

― The Pastiche Liberation Front (sonnyboy), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:17 (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

me too! i am so excited it is absurd. i think 'one mo gin' is my favourite song ever made, so if he doesn't play it i'll be disappointed

Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

hype hype

the emancipation of me-me (tpp), Friday, 3 February 2012 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

damn, ilx london fap at d'angelo -- i'm jealous

J0rdan S., Friday, 3 February 2012 16:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

if u see a 7 foot goonish looking german guy with diamond earrings by all means say hi

the emancipation of me-me (tpp), Friday, 3 February 2012 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

money boy in the building

J0rdan S., Friday, 3 February 2012 16:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

lag∞n affiliated (The Reverend), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

i didn't see this thread til now, i am totally going tonight - feel free to holla at me, anyone else who's going

been immersing myself in voodoo & brown sugar today :)

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

so rum is what you're saying?

Wie wol ich bin der vogel has noch den erfret mich das (forksclovetofu), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

that was last night :(

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha forks

pfunkbo bryson (some dude), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

half my twitter timeline reads "d'angelo"

i am so hyped! i have 45 minutes in which to coax my body into moving now

first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 3 February 2012 18:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

this discussion is getting kinda rockist fwiw

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:15 (2 months ago) Permalink

from what i understand the songwriting process for 'voodoo' was a bunch of people in a room jamming off of prince or sly or soul train until they came up with workable bits that then were molded into songs? i could be misremembering/projecting

it no doubt seemed collaborative but who cares? what does that take away from the music or even his legend, i don't get it.

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:18 (2 months ago) Permalink

Jordan: your assumption on the former, the latter or both?

the latter. although i've also wondered the same thing about the label waiting for not just the record but a full promo campaign, i know people who were on the recent tours and uh yeah.

from what i understand the songwriting process for 'voodoo' was a bunch of people in a room jamming off of prince or sly or soul train until they came up with workable bits that then were molded into songs?

that happened too from what i understand. seems like it was one approach among many (solo writing, co-writing, jamming, working with dilla & premier, etc).

festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:26 (2 months ago) Permalink

i've always kinda assumed that he has tons of really good stuff finished for album 3 and it's just personal setbacks/insecurities keeping him from mixing it all down and sending it to the label.

i don't think it takes anything away from his talent that he's gotten help from a lot of people, every big star has gotten help from a lot of people, even the total inarguable geniuses. but it seems like he's sheltered himself in his golden boy aura for so long that it was just a matter of time before someone he never gave much public credit to decided to pull his card.

ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:29 (2 months ago) Permalink

btw i played a show at the Brooklyn Bowl the other night and near the end i had this (silly) moment of "oh shit, this is right where D'Angelo was on this stage." :)

festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:30 (2 months ago) Permalink

sure but that myth isn't really self-created, it's been built up by a lot of respected -- often important -- people. so maybe gary harris is kinda just a jealous asshole?

le goon (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:31 (2 months ago) Permalink

ime the music industry (on every level) is composed almost entirely out of people who are angry that their contributions have been underappreciated. from intern to frontman, logo designer to journalist, caterer to AR, publicist to programmer; thus has it always been forever and ever amen

Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:38 (2 months ago) Permalink

tbf questlove is a class-A Rockist

rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:39 (2 months ago) Permalink

I'm cool with D'Angelo as a vocal genius almost on par with Prince, as far as singing and arranging goes. But musically, he's no Prince, which is why he needs to lean on so many others. But that's cool, that's how a lot of music is made. Zeppelin songs are credited Page/Plant, by and large, but no way would I credit anything that band did to just those two. So it goes.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 17:44 (2 months ago) Permalink

also the whole penultimate paragraph about dissing d'angelo's lack of 'funk' makes me think that he's a little deaf to what makes 'voodoo' special. sure, the saadiq single + sexy video blew it up in the first place, but that's not why it's continued to find a new audience over the last ~14 years.

― festival culture (Jordan), Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:33 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Word. When I read that paragraph I was like "this makes sense if you've only heard Brown Sugar"

The Reverend, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 21:57 (2 months ago) Permalink


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