Ren & Stimpy, John Kricfalusi and making every frame count

I dont want it both ways, but I'm not going to tell you how to read or interpret Family Guy or FLCL.

You asked what is it that makes FlCl more than a bunch of flashy japanese pop culture in-jokes and references. I explained to you as I interpreted it, I wasn't denying that its there, but I dont see it as the focus. You either see that and agree or don't.

AND... Its not JUST that family guy is joke oriented.
The pop culture references disguised as jokes are very specific to Family Guy. The jokes themselves are one note, "Remember when,.." . They are never referenced diegetically, and only exist to reference something stupid or silly that existed in american pop culture television. I wouldn't even say that the family guy references are nostalgic, that would imply a liking it or feeling one way or the other, and I wouldn't say that they are enraptured as much as looking for a cheap laugh, its not even parody.

I'm glad that we can both agree that it is good animation.

FLCL that is.. hehe

yeah I agree w/Voltero...FG isn't enthralled by pop culture, they're filling it full of bulletholes...

Phillip I think you need to start coming correct yourself...obv episode 5 with the references to Lupin, South Park, John Woo, and Daicon IV is as referential as you say, but besides a few references in ep. 3 to some folk tale-turned-school play starring the Marquis de Carrabas, and a few stray references to Eva and Gundam, where are all the anime references that FLCL must be chock full of?

It's been awhile since I've seen it, but it's not the anime refs per se, just a mashup of introvert boy, crazy alien robot (was the robot an alien? I can't remember), and indie rock, and I guess most of those are staples of anime (swap jpop for indie jrock). And I also remember it being visually chaotic. Anyone else who hasn't seen it in awhile, what do you guys remember?

re FG, by enthralled, I mean the writers/voices are helpless in its grasp, and invoke it compulsively, not that they necessarily have any fondness for it (though I'm pretty sure they do -- I think one of them runs "Robot Chicken").

I think your just pushing my buttons now Phil..

"Japanese animators, for all their drawing skill and versatility, have yet to produce anything with the soul and electricity of something like this, animated in 1946:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBYaTMQTTmk";

I know this is a post from 8 years ago and the last time anyone posted here was 5 years ago, but can someone tell me what video that link lead to? The account that uploaded it was apparently terminated so I can't see the piece of animation that Peter Chung himself described as having "soul and electricity." Apologies if it was pointed out somewhere between that post and the last post, but it seemed to veer so off-topic to the point where FLCL and Family Guy of all things took up most of the space here.

Sorry about the huge space there in my previous post. Apparently typing in the link is supposed to display the video to view without going directly to youtube, but seeing as how it's been deleted all we get is a blank gap.

the still image that comes up if you go to the youtube url is daffy duck and porky pig dressed in what look like casey jones hats.

oh, postman hats. Baby Bottleneck

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1yl525_daffy-duck-ep-37-baby-bottleneck_fun

still in question appears about 5:50 in

John K's blog still updated with drawings regularly btw - johnkstuff.blogspot.com

god the early episodes of this show are so perfect, really holds up

idg why the vast amount of this thread is not actually about Ren and Stimpy but whatever

forget it shakey it's ilx

Discovered this weekend that Ren's insane monologue from 'Space Madness' was at least partially derived from a similarly-deranged Peter Lorre monologue from Mad Love. I feel like bits of his rant got repurposed into other Ren meltdowns but I can't remember which atm.

distant memory of ren & stimpy seems to imply that ren's voice was something like peter lorre's too right? especially when he was angry

lol the ice cream bar monologue?

Ren voice is def based on Peter Lorre!